whats best gear set up for a rank 50 gladiator

[Zdenka]

I also have both, or I should say had. Ended up selling my Aeolian after noticing Heavy stab's were doing 10-15 less on NMs then Longsword, and Riot was missing more with Aeolian. Its nothing to drastic since glad's aren't really there to do much DPS anyways(in a full pt). However when you duo/trio as much as I do you want as much damage as you can get while not decreasing your def/dmg mitigation.

Light Slash does about 2x the damage output on NMs that Heavy Stab does with Aeolian Scimitar.

Heavy Stab on goblin, for instance, has 95% accuracy rate and hits for 21-25 and costs 30 stamina (for a qualitative purposes).

Light Slash on goblin has ~75% accuracy rate and hits for 39-52 and costs 20 stamina.

Over 600 stamina Heavy Stab will do 20 hits, miss once, so 19 x 25 (ill just go with max...) = 575 damage.
Over 600 stamina Light Slash will do 30 hits, miss 7 times, so 23 x 45 = 1035 damage.

Also since it seems that the action itself, regardless if it hits or misses or how much damage it does, gives static threat amounts you are gaining a lot more threat with Light Slashes. This is sort of GLA's one downfall in the current system is that due to the lack of much stamina to do normal attacks, we can't gain that threat while other classes build it rapidly (esp. Pugalist).

Oh the difference is even greater on Dodore whom has less defense, my Heavy Stabs do ~40 and Light Slash does ~100. Its pretty safe to say the best weapon is Aeolian using Light Slash, not to mention it has the highest parry value (which is -the- tanking stat on your weapon anyway).

[wind]

Light Slash does about 2x the damage output on NMs that Heavy Stab does with Aeolian Scimitar.

Also since it seems that the action itself, regardless if it hits or misses or how much damage it does, gives static threat amounts you are gaining a lot more threat with Light Slashes.

Its pretty safe to say the best weapon is Aeolian using Light Slash, not to mention it has the highest parry value (which is -the- tanking stat on your weapon anyway).

My light slash's have never done more then heavy stabs, so not sure where you're getting your numbers.

Also heavy stab's base threat amount will not be beaten by 2x more slashes. Doesn't currently work that way. Since slash has close to zero hate output.

Also rofl at the parry comment. Did you miss my initial post? You CANT parry with your shield up. So ya if you're(not you) just a bad tank and cant keep up your shield 100% with deflection/aegis/outmanuever/ or just typical guard. Then maybe I'd agree aeolian would be better. But being bad and letting the weap make up for it, wont make it 'better'.

[ChelseaPride]

My light slash's have never done more then heavy stabs, so not sure where you're getting your numbers.

Also heavy stab's base threat amount will not be beaten by 2x more slashes. Doesn't currently work that way. Since slash has close to zero hate output.

Also rofl at the parry comment. Did you miss my initial post? You CANT parry with your shield up. So ya if you're(not you) just a bad tank and cant keep up your shield 100% with deflection/aegis/outmanuever/ or just typical guard. Then maybe I'd agree aeolian would be better. But being bad and letting the weap make up for it, wont make it 'better'.

Currently, using the heavy attack for hate generation is next to pointless. With Intimidation > Provoke II > War Drum > Warmonger there's no chance of an enemy getting distracted. Save your stamina for hate building abilities and stop trying to DD NM's... you can't compete with the other classes anyway.

[wind]

Its not about DDing or trying to compete with other classes, its about efficiency. If you NEVER attack the mob, you can rarely do a phalanx. Which is zero stam usage as well. Ya you can hold hate 'decently' with never attacking but whats the point, when you can currently do both easily. Warmonger is every couple mins, Intimidation adds onto all your attacks and increases the modifier on abilities that already have hate+ (aka heavy stab/phalanx). You easily have enough stam to do everything.

[GreyJorildyn]

You can hold hate amazingly well on a single target without ever using physical attacks or phalanx. Not sure what this 'decently' business is all about. I can hold hate 100% of the time in a 8-man party that kills Uraeus in 7-8 minutes or less. DPS do not have to hold back and BRs are constantly in motion. Tanking as GLA is a total joke and there is 0 need to try and deal any sort of damage. Phalanx isn't consistently accurate enough to rely on for hate generation. Use it when you can because it's there, but don't tout it like it's some god-like ability because it isn't. Perhaps the enmity mods will change that however.

It also seems like you're aren't placing enough emphasis on abilities outside of GLA ones. Warmonger is good, but more important is Accomplice. If you've never used it, it's a real keeper. It makes leveling pugilist very worthwhile.

[Kel]

I just wonder why no one mentions Oak Macuahuitl as a weapon choice?

Apparently making a +3 Oak Macuahuitl is easier than making +2 iron longsword or +1 Aeolian due to less comlicated and lower-ranked recipe.

But to compare:

Oak Macuahuitl +3 Aeolian Scimitar +1 Iron Longsword +2
Attack 169 151 151
Accuracy 154 149 152
Crit. Hit Rate 179 153 168
Parrying 137 165 161

Even if you only make +2 Oak Macuahuitl, it's still better than the other HQed weapons...
If you only consider Strenth, even +1 Oak Macuahuitl givess better stat than the other two...

So why no one likes Oak Macuahuitl?

[wind]

You can hold hate amazingly well on a single target without ever using physical attacks or phalanx. Not sure what this 'decently' business is all about. I can hold hate 100% of the time in a 8-man party that kills Uraeus in 7-8 minutes or less. DPS do not have to hold back and BRs are constantly in motion. Tanking as GLA is a total joke and there is 0 need to try and deal any sort of damage. Phalanx isn't consistently accurate enough to rely on for hate generation. Use it when you can because it's there, but don't tout it like it's some god-like ability because it isn't. Perhaps the enmity mods will change that however.

It also seems like you're aren't placing enough emphasis on abilities outside of GLA ones. Warmonger is good, but more important is Accomplice. If you've never used it, it's a real keeper. It makes leveling pugilist very worthwhile.

Not sure how you became so heated out of any of my posts but... okay?

My response was to the 'dont try to dd'

and this all started with zdenka saying heavy stab was worse then light slash

not really gonna answer anything you said seeing as how both my posts and yours are pretty irrelevant to this topic, and I myself shouldn't have even let it become this side-tracked.

so my b OP

[wind]

So why no one likes Oak Macuahuitl?

Some people(myself, and tanks I talk to sometimes which is no where near 'the majority') don't like the 40% blunt on it.

[GreyJorildyn]

Sorry if I sounded heated--I wasn't at all

[Lienn]

So today i heard a thing and went to check it out...and was surprised that wield rate affects directly shield skill duration in 1:1 rate! o_O

I had a Decorated Iron Scutum +1 until i test some things out...after seeing that with Vintage round shield and serpent shield (highest ones with wield rate 19) the effect lenght jumped from pathetic 15 seconds to 28 seconds (with self-preservation)!

I still need to try it out at NMs, but from my experience with scutum no +30 def or +30 block rate can make up for +13 seconds of Deflection and Aegis Boon. If this confirms, then actually round shields will be the best ones for tanking heavy damage monsters.

Did anyone try tanking the big ones with any of these shields (serpent or vintage round shield)?