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  1. #81
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    Tharian's Avatar
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    Kikyo Cledwin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    Also also "he" is not generic and trying to make it take that role was historical sexism.
    If it is historical sexism as you suggest, then why is the earliest example of it being suggested for that purpose in the published work of a woman?
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    I'm not saying for it to be "policy". I'm asking those that I can to stop assuming everyone is a guy. It's a pretty simple request and all I see are excuses for people who don't want to change their behavior.
    I don't assume anything because I don't refer to anyone by anything other than their name. It spares me from having to explain to others who I'm talking about and it's just polite. Now, I do lapse sometimes and break out the pronouns but they'd have to be real idiots or flat out rude cusses for that to happen. You know, don't want to act like a person I won't treat them as one. But that's not the crux of the discussion here, is it.
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  3. #83
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    Zetsu Tei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    People assuming I'm a guy is something I already have to worry about in the real world, I don't need it in the video game as well
    Difference being, in the real world people have a clear view of the person behind the monitor. However in an MMO no one can accurately know your gender based on name/gender of character, and they shouldn't be expected to know. My character name is female,character gender is female, and guess what? I'm a guy.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelfox View Post
    Okay, first, stop telling the OP how to feel unless you also suffer from gender dysphoria. When you're trans, being gendered incorrectly is like being reminded you lost a loved one in 9/11 or broke both legs in a skiing accident. You can't turn off your triggers just because other people might trip them by accident.
    I don't think anyone should tell you how or what to feel. How you feel about something is for you personally have to deal with on your own. No one is under any kind of obligation to cater to your feelings. I understand that your gender identity may be a sensitive subject and is a huge deal to you, however you need to also understand that other people don't think it is a big deal and don't care. You have no more right to tell them to care about about your personal circumstances than they do to tell you to about how you should feel.
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    Kimmy if you're going to allow being called a he by random strangers online who have no ill will towards you or any idea about you being transgender might I suggest you find the LGBT directory thread and joining one of those guilds so you can avoid the general population. Don't want to be mean, but your personal circumstances don't mean a lot to the average person and you'll probably only continue to be hurt because people don't ask what gender someone is and or what they identify as before beginning a conversation.
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  6. #86
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    Mercury Acetylene
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    I dont get the big deal... im called a she all the time in game, doesn't bother me none. I really could care less about gender specification.
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    Last edited by MercuryAcetylene; 05-07-2014 at 04:35 PM.

  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharian View Post
    If it is historical sexism as you suggest, then why is the earliest example of it being suggested for that purpose in the published work of a woman?
    Because it is common for women to internalize sexism, act on it, and even go so far as to defend it. Because when you live in a horridly sexist society, that sorta stuff rubs off on you in lots of ways.
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    Hmm I guess I must be really ignorant as I didn't even know this was an issue. I always use the characters gender (unless I know them personally) and have never had anyone correct me or anything.

    It's stupid for people to assume female characters are males, just use "she" if its a female character and "he" if they're male. At least then if someone gets upset they don't have as much of a leg to stand on.

    Unfortunately/fortunately though it's 1000 times easier to change yourself than other people. So instead of trying to get others to stop calling you "he", just learn to not let it bother you. You'll save much energy!
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  9. #89
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    "Instead of trying to get others to not step on your toes, try not letting your toes being stepped on bother you."

    Even if they aren't stepping on my toes on purpose, they're still stepping on my toes, and this thread is me asking people to stop stepping on my toes.
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  10. #90
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    Kikyo Cledwin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    Because it is common for women to internalize sexism, act on it, and even go so far as to defend it. Because when you live in a horridly sexist society, that sorta stuff rubs off on you in lots of ways.
    OMFG, did you really just say that?

    First off, learn your history. The Late 18th Century Europe and America were not a "Horridly Sexist Society" by any means of the definition. For that you would have wanted to go all the way back to the 1690's Salem, Massachusetts or the Modern Day Arab Countries that have Sharia Law instituted in them.

    In fact, by the 18th to 19th Century, the Women tended to have more power than the Men in their individual relationships. Not to mention that one of the most powerful Monarch's in the entirety of British History ascended to the Throne by 1837, and Queen Victoria just happens to have been a woman.

    And just so we are clear, the Salem Witch Trials were instigated by a group of Teenage (or younger) Girls that simply wanted people to notice them. Unfortunately hysteria happened and things went south.
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    Last edited by Tharian; 05-07-2014 at 04:49 PM.

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