Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[Ooshima]

Yeah it's not like there's a weapon quest outside of coil in 2.2 that you can work on.

FYI I have already done it for my main BRD and my primary alt job PLD - but tbh the nature of quest to obtain the weapon are entirely different. Also, not everyone is going to go for a second atma/animus weapon (some don't even wanna bother with one, you know the reasons and the QQ)

Plus, it's still 2 primals in 2.2 vs 3 primals + 1 ultima in 2.1 - in which 2.1 does provide more PvE contents

[Huntington]

To be honest the high-end gear in Coil does have one major problem. A heavy percentage of XIV is in the "Casual" side of everything, the people who play the game when they can and have fun with CT and just playing with other people, and having the best gear doesn't heavily matter for them. The Hardcore people like the Raids and the challenge.


The Soldiery tomes allow you to get better gear at a weekly pace, that will still be decent even if you don't go for the Sands of Time and Oils of Time in Second Coil, but this also means that your gear and the weapons you can get, which means you still need to beat Coil to acquire, will be stuck at 100. Most of those people in the Casual side of things will never likely touch those things, I doubt I'll ever touch beyond T7 myself and I play a lot right now. You get locked out of the content and the Echo buff doesn't make things easier, it just lightens the load that you need to do, but if you can't play the game without moving around and knowing the fights, then you will never proceed in the game. And without multiple ways to get gear, and I'm talking equipment not the Animus weapons, you won't ever progress in the game besides normal every day to day leveling and Beast Tribe Quests.

There needs to be multiple ways of progressing your character without having to hope you will get lucky and meet someone who has a Static for Coil, because if you don't know any of those people or come across anyone who runs them, you will never get to them. And that honestly seems dishonest for an MMO. We need to have hoards of unique gear and things to collect, there should be multiple ways to gear up your character with decent gear. Of course you would have to rival how you get that gear compared to going into Coil, which I personally think could happen through Notorious Monster battles in the Duty Finder. We recreate monsters and enemies from the past and put them into Trials. The drop rates for the gear could be spread out across all of them and it would have to probably be low in the process, but with what SE is doing with everything being fair and equal for everyone, besides everyone actually being on a fair and even ground, you can't just add something like that if it's not behind very troubling content.

Then the people who are doing Coil will wonder "why do all of this work here if I can get the same thing somewhere else with the same reward but less work?" And its true, if everything is equal, there has to be several ways to get the same tier of gear. But if everything is balanced, then everyone will likely just go the path of least resistance. Because no one should want to willingly grind something hour for hour and then come away from it with nothing to show for their time. You want your time to feel worth it and well spent instead of sucked into nothingness. I made Party Finder groups for Titan EM earlier, probably 30 different attempts with different people, got very close several times, but still failed, and then had nothing to show for it. If I can't get through it ASAP, a time may come when no one else will be doing anything involved with it and I'll be locked behind that wall for the rest of the game's lifetime, even 100% Echo buff won't help people through a fight like that.

This worries me myself because I'd like to progress through things at some point. All in all just my opinions.

[DosonTheGreat]

It's a far cry from having your raid decked out in full sets of i110 level gear. So what's your argument? You need i110 *weapons* to beat coil 2, but none of the rest of it is needed?

Besides, I'm not really advocating just giving i110 stuff to everyone. If you scroll up a few posts, you might have noticed I suggested it might be more appropriate to have *some* of the best gear in coil (maybe weps/armor?) while spreading out the rest of it (belt/jewelry?) instead of cramming both sets of i110 gear for each class (high allagan + sands/oils) for every single slot, including both the i110 and i115 weps, solely onto the 4 bosses of coil.

Well you do need some i110 gear. Weapon damage and Vit makes the biggest difference. Casters wearing tank rings and specing Vit like BG did makes up for not having the 110 stats. The gear is needed but players just used loop holes to get the stats they needed. I assume you haven't done t9. cute
People who don't do coil 2 don't really need or deserve i110 gear. We're going to be farming this for several months until 2.4 comes out. The gear will also make coil 2 less of a headache. I was so glad when I saw that good players would finally be rewarded this patch. If you want the best you have to be the best.

[Raenryong]

There needs to be multiple ways of progressing your character without having to hope you will get lucky and meet someone who has a Static for Coil, because if you don't know any of those people or come across anyone who runs them, you will [B]never[B] get to them. And that honestly seems dishonest for an MMO.

That's just how MMOs work though - certain gear will never be acquired by everyone, especially if they are not in a top tier guild. Even in FFXI, the vast majority of people were never going to touch a relic or mythic. A good chunk would never touch an Empyrean. In other games like Rift or WoW, only an elite few would touch the very top. Equality of opportunity, not outcome!

[blowfin]

People who don't do coil 2 don't really need or deserve i110 gear. We're going to be farming this for several months until 2.4 comes out. The gear will also make coil 2 less of a headache. I was so glad when I saw that good players would finally be rewarded this patch. If you want the best you have to be the best.

Sorry to burst your bubble but, If you want the best you have to have:
a) A solid FC/group of friends
b) Plenty of time to raid

That's really about it. Unfortunately a lot of people think that doing coil makes them special.

[RumiP]

hope you will get lucky and meet someone who has a Static for Coil, because if you don't know any of those people or come across anyone who runs them, you will [B]never[B] get to them

You're doing it wrong.

Go here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...-Shiva%28EU%29

Look for threads of people and FCs recruiting for coil. If there are none for you there, keep an eye out in game. Start a PF saying you're looking. Join someone else's PF who is recruiting. Start your own static.

Be social. I've had 4 different statics since I joined, and none of them were any harder than the last to find.

[Bigpurpleharness]

This worries me myself because I'd like to progress through things at some point. All in all just my opinions.

I just refuse to PUG T5 or higher anymore. It's far too much of a headache, and paired with coil being the end-all of gear, I just don't have anything to do for progression besides grinding a single 4 man for honestly, poor gear. I can't get a static on my schedule (Medic on a 24/48, in pre-med to boot), and now I have... Uh, well, nothing really. Animus is waaaaaaaaaaaay too much time for being inferior to drops I've seen terribad healers get. (Still love the WHM who didn't know cure 3 was AoE, or that regen was actually good who got coil drops before more skilled players)

I don't know, the game's just kinda lost on me now. It's moving further and further away from being fun for those without statics. Which, oh well, I don't have metric tons of free time, so it won't exactly be hard to find a replacement. Currently, my no bonfire/death run of DS2 is occupying my time, and I enjoy the challenge of the game on that, not the challenge of finding 7 people who aren't horrible with my schedule.

[Huntington]

That's just how MMOs work though - certain gear will never be acquired by everyone, especially if they are not in a top tier guild. Even in FFXI, the vast majority of people were never going to touch a relic or mythic. A good chunk would never touch an Empyrean. In other games like Rift or WoW, only an elite few would touch the very top. Equality of opportunity, not outcome!

True, I could have started working on my Relic and so on over there in XI, but that's such a massive time-sink, if people think the ATMA and Animus grind is bad they need to go do that again. I just think it's unfortunate that once you hit 50, the tier progression goes like so: Darklight > Myth or Allagan > Weathered > High Allagan. There needs to be more "well for Weathered you can also go this route for this other gear, it won't be as easy to get, but it's different gear and it's still available to you outside of Soldiery" or something else that gives us more choices. Like for the Aetherial gear, best stuff you can find before 50 will be Aetherial. But once you hit 50 it gets completely phased out, could there be a chance to get level 70 Aetherial gear that's superior to Darklight but rarer? Very possible. After all, there's people going into HM Primals and CT for things with 100+ gear, it's not as if it would throw too much off if there was some alternate superior gear that was out there. All that matters is that it is out there, and ready to be acquired if you go for it.

[Huntington]

You're doing it wrong.

Go here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...-Shiva%28EU%29

Look for threads of people and FCs recruiting for coil. If there are none for you there, keep an eye out in game. Start a PF saying you're looking. Join someone else's PF who is recruiting. Start your own static.

Be social. I've had 4 different statics since I joined, and none of them were any harder than the last to find.

I already made a thread in the Shiva section about looking for allies to help with Titan, did you see it? :P No replies so far.

As for FC's, I'm already in one and not planning to leave, so it would be hard to convince someone I'm available to play all the time if I don't join their FC, I could start doing Second Coil of Bahamut, but still need to do T5, which requires a communicative group with some time. I still haven't practiced it enough. I'll keep on the lookout for people who need to get through the first one, but ehh I'm never really ahead of the rest of the server that's already going into T6 and beyond.

[Bigpurpleharness]

True, I could have started working on my Relic and so on over there in XI, but that's such a massive time-sink, if people think the ATMA and Animus grind is bad they need to go do that again.

FFXI Relics were also amazing for the most part (Not touching Claustrum), and you could farm NMs, low man dynamis (I had a group of 6 that full cleared Dyna Sandy for cash weekly at 75), or PUG dynamis. It was a lengthy path, it was a grind, and it was worth it. An Animus though? Hell, their relic path in general is always outclassed by a raid weapon. 1,500 myth x9 after 9 atma farming for a weapon that's terrible compared to the raid drop? Eh, I'll pass. Weapon DMG is kind of important in this game.

I miss FFXI's lateral end game system though. And the fact you could do a million and one things solo for real progression. Fun fact: My only truly amazing XI linkshell came about because I would farm gil then merc drops, the merc shell was truly impressed with me and offered me a pearl after a few runs. It made me a ton of gil since we sold anything we didn't need.