So, appearantly I got added to a 'list'

[Eidolon]

Only problem I've ever had with those groups is 9/10 the leader is the one dieing and wont kick there self lmao

I think you're referring to farm parties with a 2-strike rule. Content like Coil 1-5 is really pretty easy, and most the time, a single death won't cause a problem. Though if I ever make a 2-strike rule party, I follow the rule myself. ^^ (I haven't had to kick myself, but I have made one mistake and said 'count that as one against me.'

[RumiP]

Really, though, this problem ends up being related to the Armory system and the fact that everyone can be every class. That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in an MMO, and I really wish FF14 hadn't done it.

[AmyNeudaiz]

That looks cute where is if from?

[RumiP]

That looks cute where is if from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muromi-san

[Diavolo]

You reported the person for putting your character's name on a list on a private website? Petty.

[Niwashi]

In Party Finder, you can set whatever rules you like so long as you're straightforward about them upfront, and anyone who doesn't like your rules doesn't need to join your group. (Though obviously, the more restrictive your rules are, the harder they'll make it for you to find enough other players for your group.)

The only times such "rules" are objectionable is when they're not identified up front, but the party leader announces them after the group is formed and tries to bully people into accepting them, or when the rules are applied differently to the leader's friends than to the other randoms that fill out the remainder of the party. I've even heard of cases in DF where a partially pre-formed group would demand that the random whom DF paired them with should follow their self-made rules. Those sorts of things are the objectionable cases, not PF parties with clearly identified rules.

[Souljacker]

The problem is related to the loot distribution system being antiquated. There is no problem with every character being allowed to be every class - as long as there is a personal loot selector system. So you just join the group, tell the system you prefer a chance at something from x loot table, and that's the end of it. RNG determines if you get something, and if you do, what you get. It takes the issue out of the players' hands entirely, and then we just shift the rage toward the RNG and never have to accuse someone of unfair loot rules or ninja-lotting something ever again. We also don't have to lock out jobs - we can take the best group we can put together and not care what anyone else might want.

It's a clean solution that has been implemented with great success in other mmos.

[RumiP]

It takes the issue out of the players' hands entirely

I should be able to use whatever system I want to distribute loot in my statics/groups that I lead and people knowing that system choose to be in. It's not my problem if Joe Shmoe wants to have a fit over my loot system. Joe Shmoe isn't in my group. Joe Shmoe can go post on the forums about it. Ultimately my decisions do not effect Joe Shmoe.

"That's no fair, I want a chance at Wave Patas, but it's reserved!"

"Then don't join."

"But there's no other groups!!!"

"Start one."

[DragonFlyy]

I always felt gear locking was a bit silly. If I already have the item, I'll join and play along. If I do need it, I won't even bother with the conflict. Know that I do have a silent dissenting opinion either way.

I've seen people make threads crying about when someone didn't play along with their pointless rules. The need/greed system is there for a reason. If you want to reserve gear, join a FC and run with them. They'll have structured rules in place. But PUGs with PF? Don't expect anyone to listen to your "conditions" in the end.

SE will listen to your conditions. It's been stated before that if the rules are announced upfront, and someone doesn't follow them, they are breaking the rules and can be banned.

Edit: Most MMOs work on the premise (even as far back as Everquest). If you make a group and set a rule, someone doesn't follow that rule they can be actioned for it.

[Souljacker]

I should be able to use whatever system I want to distribute loot in my statics/groups that I lead and people knowing that system choose to be in. It's not my problem if Joe Shmoe wants to have a fit over my loot system. Joe Shmoe isn't in my group. Joe Shmoe can go post on the forums about it. Ultimately my decisions do not effect Joe Shmoe.

"That's no fair, I want a chance at Wave Patas, but it's reserved!"

"Then don't join."

"But there's no other groups!!!"

"Start one."

Or you could not be a micromanager, set your personal loot and still get the piece you want without trampling anyone else or even worrying about all the menial administrative planning. *shrugs - whatever floats your boat. I happen to think your attitude is indicative of quite a few things - but you play how you want. I'm still going to continue to suggest improvements to the loot system.