After healing T8, I feel that critical isn't very helpful even for scholar?

[Menae]

Except what Kitru said still applies. Because fights will usually be lasting nearly the exact same time each time regardless of your own throughput, you can calculate exactly how much more MP you have for that period of time by getting more PIE. And usually it is highly unimpressive and requires fights to already be hitting their upper limit in terms of time to get anything appreciable.

Kitru's argument, or at the very least the impression I got from his word choice, was that a WHM doesn't gain regen with Piety while scholars do. That is patently false. A WHM doesn't gain as much from Piety, but even a SCH gets more regen from base ticks than they do from aetherflow. He then further argued that scholars can use piety for throughput as opposed to regen. This I agree with; I haven't done the math to determine whether it's mathematically a sound option compared to det/crit, but even if not optimal, it's a way to use excess of the stat (until you are regenning to the point where you literally cannot spend as much mp as you have coming in. The part I disagree with is that Piety is worthless as a WHM for throughput. It's not as powerful, certainly, but WHM can still use it for throughput too - if their regen allows it, they can replace a few Cures with Cure2s instead of spamming Cure praying for Freecast. Or they can throw out DoTs. Finally, as Kitru alluded to in an earlier post, Piety doesn't affect the throughput OR longevity of Eos, Selene, or Lustrate. The only healing spell a WHM has that isn't affected by Piety is Benediction, a much smaller percentage of WHM healing than Lustrate or the faeries are for a SCH.

[KarstenS]

since Shroud doesn't scale, sadly.

Infight manareg do scale with piety Someone calculated, that the break even point for permanent cure1 without running oom is at round about 5000MP.

[Menae]

Infight manareg do scale with piety Someone calculated, that the break even point for permanent cure1 without running oom is at round about 5000MP.

I'm aware of that, Karsten. I've mentioned it several times. But Shroud of Saints does NOT scale with Piety, only with level. It is a flat 1060 mp per use at level 50.

[Zoeila]

people act like physic cant crit. it's like having an undercosted cure 2 on sch

[Richiealvian]

Physick does crit, but when you're keeping everyone's health on top you heal when their health is reduced by the amount of your normal physick, thus critical physick would just be a slight extra convenience..

[Menae]

people act like physic cant crit. it's like having an undercosted cure 2 on sch

No, it's like having a same costed Cure on SCH. It's the same potency, mp cost, and cast time. The only difference is that it doesn't proc Freecure, which is irrelevant to you but very important to me. If a WHM were to equip a similar gearset to yours (i.e. the same total crit rating, determination, etc.), you'd cast for the same amount on average, and crit the same amount as well.

And critting on non-Adlo heals, while certainly not useless, is not why SCH stack crit. It helps, but it's unpredictable. Otherwise, wouldn't WHM stack crit as well? I doubt I get as much from Stoneskin and Benediction over the course of most fights as you do from Lustrate (the spells for each class which can't crit).

[PenutButter]

You choose to spam Physick even though Adloquium is better in many situation because Physick spam is enough to get the job done. The same philosophy can be used to answer your argument; it doesn't matter what 2ndary stats u get cuz its enough to get the job done. For those how want to max/min though, Adloquium and crit is the way to go.

[Remn]

I got 1 question to OP. you may get away w/o using it in the first 2 phase but how do your party deal with the last phase without adlo when the Allagan Field is out?
without adlo on the person with allgan field and absorbing the tower explosion. that extra 1.5k when the field goes off. a crit adlo + SS can absorb all the damage form tower and made allagan field a lot easier to deal with.

[Staris]

Crit has always been unreliable. If you can't achieve crazy high 90%+ crit rates then the 100% success rate cutoffs for HPS requirements will always be determined by your non crits. This is because you will always have multiple consecutive non crits over any real duration fight.

The issue is all the other secondary stats are near worthless so why not stack crit. Add some RNG love into the mix.

But you should never give up Mind, Vit or weapon damage for crit.