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    After healing T8, I feel that critical isn't very helpful even for scholar?

    I've managed to maintain my MP at 5000 (full) until the 6th tower, and most of the time I'm only using physick. I very rarely have to use adloq, and I think for really long fights consistency is key? Starting to doubt the amazingness of crit as I used to think for scholars..
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    Seems like you never used your dots, eh? Also... Have fun without Adlo in t9 you will love Crit Adlos there!
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    As in, bio and stuff? I did 11000 damage in total for T8, and we won by a very tiny margin (just started casting atomic ray, we had about 2.5 seconds to go). I know it's loveable (like how it nullifies suppurations in ifrit XM) but I usually find critical quite unreliable. I'll give it a try once we get the time to practice T9, just curious how it all works out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richiealvian View Post
    most of the time I'm only using physick. I very rarely have to use adloq,
    Honestly with massive MP pool + Aetherflow it's better to spam Adlo. I mean, I haven't reached T8 yet but I almost always find it's better to spam Adlo for crit since I practically never run out of MP everywhere else. Ionno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richiealvian View Post
    I've managed to maintain my MP at 5000 (full) until the 6th tower, and most of the time I'm only using physick. I very rarely have to use adloq, and I think for really long fights consistency is key? Starting to doubt the amazingness of crit as I used to think for scholars..
    The management comes with comfort. The more you do the fight and get the mechanics down to memory, the easier it'll be to manage your mp. I've had T8 on farm for a while now and neither myself or my WHM need ballad to get us through it. You'll be fine with time. Just make sure you actually make an effort to understand the bosses mechanics and timing.
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    The last 2 towers are a bit intense, I think I eventually end up with 1500-2000 MP left. I do use adloq on the offtank when the dread comes, but even then I don't get to use adloq much because physick is enough and yeah I agree as we get more and more used to it we use less MP. When you first beat T8, do you need any ballad at all? I personally start dropping to the 3k range when allagan field starts..
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    I'm sure your WHM and his/her MP were very happy to see you spamming Physick and 'overhealing' MP with your Aetherflow charges. Adlo crits do add up throughout the fight, but even if it didn't crit, it's essentially advisable to use it with caution, because Adlo is "consistent" even without the critting. I do a hefty amount of Adlos in T8, yet ballads are not needed. Instead, this makes the WHM's life easier and as such - their need for a ballad also drops in proportion. It's not just you, but how you can contribute to the sustainability of the other healer, with your superior sustainability. Just keep tabs on the fight and the situation and burn resources accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richiealvian View Post
    The last 2 towers are a bit intense, I think I eventually end up with 1500-2000 MP left. I do use adloq on the offtank when the dread comes, but even then I don't get to use adloq much because physick is enough and yeah I agree as we get more and more used to it we use less MP. When you first beat T8, do you need any ballad at all? I personally start dropping to the 3k range when allagan field starts..
    I did have ballad on our first kill. Though, on our 2nd kill week, me and my whm worked out a cd rotation with Eos that pretty much ensured we'd never get close to oom. Used Selene on our first kill which did make me do a little more work overall. Using Eos to benefit my whm worked extremely well.
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    Hmm, I've never overhealed MP with aether charges, to be honest. I do adloq, but only on big hits and shield worthy hits such as people entering towers twice, allagan field, or offtank dreadnought, and tanks that stomp on more than one mine but other than that it's pretty much brought me from 3.8~ to 4.8k, and I do keep tabs on the WHM's MP and if I see him get low I pushed myself a bit more, probably allowing me to get to 2.8~3.5k MP pre tower 6 but so far it's worked out pretty well. I just don't think stacking crit helps you THAT much, and consistency on the other hand (a good mix of piety/mnd/vit even) has helped me more than crit has.

    But you get that awesome fuzzy feeling when an adloq does crit, though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richiealvian View Post
    I just don't think stacking crit helps you THAT much, and consistency on the other hand (a good mix of piety/mnd/vit even) has helped me more than crit has.
    Well, while you have a good point about consistency, you should also remember that no matter the gear you stack crit with, it is still going to have MND which obviously in conjunction with weapon damage is your most consistently scaling factor in gearing.

    PIE is a good safety cushion, but not one you should ideally gear towards. (Even then, many pieces you'd go for Crit-building will still have PIE). DET is pretty great for static gains, but honestly, I don't see myself building towards DET in this new content, where an Adlo-crit gives so much time and utility for you. The times I've been begging RNGesus for an Adlo-crit far outshadow the times I've thought to myself, "if only my physicks/adlos/embraces did 20 more per heal.." or "if only I had more PIE..." (lol).
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