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  1. #51
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    abzoluut's Avatar
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    Abzoluut Abzoluut
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    Odin
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    Samurai Lv 70
    The thing with SCH is (atleast on my server I think) that the better ones are in a static or doing Coil/Primals with their FC buddies. Same goes for tanks, but that is server wide..

    If you open PF now, you'd see 9 out of 10 groups waiting for atleast 1 tank.
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  2. #52
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    SummonerSenah's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Senah Kha
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I've seen a lot less monks. I typically run as ranged DPS and usually get matched with a dragoon or another ranged DPS (usually BLM or bard).
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  3. #53
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    lxSch's Avatar
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    Alex Pokute
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    Lich
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    That is quite possibly the worst statement in the history of statements. Things become commonly accepted things for a reason, others don't, also for good reasons.

    And people don't do or not do things "unless absolutely necessary", there's varying degrees of "what works best" without having to do or not do any particular thing in a particular circumstance.
    I wonder what reasons could possibly be behind rejecting something that works well but is not popular. You did a statement but without any ground for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shneibel View Post
    if you had stop at #17 when 3 ppl said you are a bad SCH, you can advoide get burn
    I agree that trying to reason with people who are lacking enough perception to grasp a certain concept is pointless, but i found out later a big misunderstanding have taken a place, and hopefully everyone understood each other.
    I will keep my thoughts for myself then.
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    Last edited by lxSch; 05-02-2014 at 10:36 PM.

  4. #54
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    SchalaZeal's Avatar
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    Schala Zeal
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    There's a lot of things they need to change with SMN for me to go back there again.
    Summoner is the best dps in the game probably (especially when you can do Bane sometimes, and don't have to move every 5 seconds), up there with Monk - when played well anyway. And one of the best Coil ones.

    It's just inferior for stuff like speed running Brayflox HM because it has no decent spell that can hit 6-9-12 mobs at once (Miasma 2 does horrible damage, Blizzard 2 would get you hit yourself (by the raptor-birds and coeurls) plus MP issues - and Bane only hits 4 enemies, first target included).

    ETA:
    I've been playing Arcanist since launch. I got my Scholar relic in November, and my Summoner relic in January. They currently both have Atmas.

    I love to say I don't follow common advice on Scholar (like having the pet on Obey if it's Selene, or to macro Embrace at all). I don't macro anything except the Eos regen (after Rouse and Fey Illumination), and nowadays don't even use Eos. I don't pre-heal for hits (I'm nowhere near T9), since I haven't done any encounter thus far enough times to have muscle memory of pre-healing. And I never should have to to be considered good, either.

    I also don't follow common advice on Summoner. For example, I keep every pet on Sic. I let Garuda-egi decide when Contagion is going. But I'll at least move, heel or Steady her when she could cause issues (every phase change).

    And I have done the mortal sin of not leveling my Archer above 20 (yet), so I don't have Quelling Strikes. Swiftcast was much more important to me.

    I don't announce I'm resurrecting. I don't silence with Selene. I keep pets on Sic. I don't macro Embrace with Adlo. And I use Bio first in my DoT rotation. All sins to the Holy Bible of the Arcanist.

    Yet my FC can't say much negative about my role as Scholar main or Summoner main (both i93 currently). I just might not be Super Elitist Over 9000 level healer, or dps. I do more than just the job though. And I AM lazy. What I'm doing works. And I won't solo-heal primals/coil intentionally (only if the other heals die), my e-peen is fine without any stroking.
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    Last edited by SchalaZeal; 05-02-2014 at 10:56 PM.

  5. #55
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    Daenerys_Sedai's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Daenerys Sedai
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Tanks. on Sarg, they are nearly always the last role to fill.
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    Server: Sargatanas || Main Job: Scholar || Chocobo: Bonchon

  6. #56
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    Lord_Zlatan's Avatar
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    Zlatan Tarrant
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Except for most of us, the people flaming him are the ones making themselves look retarded.
    seriously, the hate directed at one person for one post was a bit intense lol
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  7. #57
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    lololink's Avatar
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    Nel Artux
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    Asura
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    seriously, the hate directed at one person for one post was a bit intense lol
    People don't know how to manage enmity these days...
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  8. #58
    Player alhandra's Avatar
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    Alhandra Starbreeze
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    People don't know how to manage enmity these days...
    should have pre-casted succor, it helps with threat management
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  9. #59
    Player Eekiki's Avatar
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    Kickle Cubicle
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RumiP View Post
    When a SCH is played bad, it's bad.
    Both the jobs branching off the Arcanist class seem to be like this. A bad SMN will absolutely cripple your group's DPS.

    On Balmung it seems healers are slightly more in demand than tanks, but I see requests for both of them all the time in PF groups.
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    Last edited by Eekiki; 05-03-2014 at 12:00 AM.

  10. #60
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    Ayaminae Yirien
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TomTom1968 View Post
    Can't remember if I EVER saw a Summoner in a party in the last three months. Really can't remember. I have one but never touched him besides levelling up.
    I've had maybe 3 or 4 smn in my pt since 2.1. Not complaining though, either I got stuck with all the bad smns in the game since release, or their damage (even with all DoTs up) just plain sucks. One time in t4, I went blm, we had a smn, I swear I was the only thing damaging the soldiers lol
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