Best in Slot for SMN after 2.1?

[ticdup]

if 490 is the goal, using Torin's simulator (with HQ buttons selected) these two general builds are very close (also a reminder, you can swap Sol Head & Allagan Feet for Allagan Head and Sol feet.):

298 det, 511 crit, 423 ss
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M1O5 (sans buttons)
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...3&food=buttons
122050 damage

311 det, 485 crit, 430 ss
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M7Q1
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...0&food=buttons
122188 damage

So trading the crit for a bit more det & ss seems to compute to a slightly higher number.

[paradigmfellow]

Where is Torin?

[Madoka]

Kevee returned from the dead and kidnapped him.

[Altimis]

I am Determination addicted

Should I get accessories and ignore armor from now on? (I am looking at Evenstar Bracelet of casting atm)

I have Body and Pants alr, from what I look and search, most not bother buy Head Hands Belt and Feets

**Edit**

NVM, I bought it, bracelet seems "Must have" anyway

[Geaux]

i'm wondering what the diminishing returns are on Det.....

atm with Buttons i can get to 385 Det.... guess i'll have to do some parsing and see how it looks.

[Laangg]

LS mate came up with this set.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MF43
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...3&food=buttons

Opinions?

[ticdup]

LS mate came up with this set.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MF43
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...3&food=buttons
Opinions?

You simulated food twice. Take the stats from ariyala without buttons added to it and leave the &food=buttons to the simulation. Your sim is actually http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...3&food=buttons


Also, the 490 acc builds are inherently flawed: By going down to 490 you actually end up losing ACC and either DET or CRIT for SS. I haven't compute the effect of going under 490 with regards to garuda dps (and thus overall), but this 496 acc build ends up simulating better than any of the 490 builds:

535crit 282det 417ss
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MEMU
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...7&food=buttons

[Seaku]

So between the lowest one of those sims and the highest is: 406.83dps and 408.35dps

Basically really small difference, I guess a 496 set will be BiS but I guess everyone just aim for full ilvl 110 without going crazy over acc cap, avoid as much spellspeed as you can. Then you can worry about switching stuff around if you care for that extra 1.5dps. In a 10 min fight that's roughly 900 extra damage over your non-BiS couterpart.

[xxalucard]

You simulated food twice. Take the stats from ariyala without buttons added to it and leave the &food=buttons to the simulation. Your sim is actually http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...3&food=buttons


Also, the 490 acc builds are inherently flawed: By going down to 490 you actually end up losing ACC and either DET or CRIT for SS. I haven't compute the effect of going under 490 with regards to garuda dps (and thus overall), but this 496 acc build ends up simulating better than any of the 490 builds:

535crit 282det 417ss
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MEMU
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...7&food=buttons

Your build seems the best but I wonder about SE putting +32 spell speed on the high allagan weapon-- is that meant to troll summoners or can the stat actually be useful when you reach a certain number?

I assume spell speed is useless for SMN when compared to other stats, don't get me wrong. But it does make me wonder...

[Kirinichibon]

Your build seems the best but I wonder about SE putting +32 spell speed on the high allagan weapon-- is that meant to troll summoners or can the stat actually be useful when you reach a certain number?

I assume spell speed is useless for SMN when compared to other stats, don't get me wrong. But it does make me wonder...

There has been a ton of research on this. I think the conclusions were that, while SS does boost damage, due to the lesser stat weight on our pets and the fact that you're likely also giving up DET/CRIT, SS should be avoided when there are DET/CRIT options available. ACC Cap, weapon damage, and INT should be top priority of course, but I'm more curious how much int weighs against DET/CRIT. Like, if I'm at accuracy cap for an encounter and want to switch a hero's belt for a crimson sash.