Marriage Quest finally on the horizon! Yay!

[Tule]

The comment quoted was completely nonconstructive and provokes the opposite opinion to counter. Which in fact it did. Its comments like that which lead threads like this to being locked, ever since Beta Phase 1.

Their first comment which I intentionally didn't quote was their legitimate opinion.

My opinion as far as side on the topic didn't even come into play. I have no side on the matter.

Ok, so what does that have to do with the comment you quoted. You took out a single part of what I said an replied to it? Out of context quoting because? My point is yes those people are annoying, but they are right. And for some unkown reason you derailed the topic even further by saying so what they are still annoying.

[Razzle]

That's not reinforcing your argument against Japan having more conservative values in regards to sexuality. Are you seriously trying to generalize an entire society's core values based on its animated/drawn fetishist pornography? Pornography that is mostly intended for heterosexuals, including yuri and yaoi. What makes it so appealing to them is the taboo nature of "forbidden love."

Even trap characters in more mainstream harem series (Stein's; Gate, BakaTest, Hagenai, etc) are only treated as gag characters and never as a serious potential love interest.

Judging a whole nation, no. But just like anime and mangas, games are another form of cultural media. And being gag and jokes DOES mean they are okay with it lol after all we talking about a GAME for ENTERTAINMENT and not some government family program lol. And IDK where you got the porn stuff, I was talking about non porn stuff the whole time. (Yaoi, Yuri etc etc does not equal porn at all.)

Japan may be super close minded about it in a way you claim it to be lol, but media wise they are obviously not. And FFXIV is a game AKA part of that cultural stuff. Also none of what I see was as "forbidden love" as you claim it be (well maybe super old stores from 20 years ago XD, but FFXIV is 2013-14 XP), except one where a brother loved a sister. Other than that it never was such a big deal in an anime/manga/game I encounted it in.

[starswept]

Please tell me they're not going to have gendered restrictions on who can get married. >_>

Straight people flaunt their sexuality enough without having yet another thing they can hold over everyone else.

Wow..... just Wow..... I've seen more homosexual people flaunt their homosexuality with things such as gay pride, we demand homosexual this and that etc etc than straight people flaunting.....heterosexuality? And they are somehow rubbing it in? I don't care if someone is homosexual but this comment, I don't even....

[Dijana]

So basically, your argument against is that ignorant things will spew of the mouth holes of ignorant people. I say that's a reason for.

I'm not actually arguing against it. Like I said multiple times, I'm for it, I want to see it. Im just trying to voice a possible reason of the other side and point out its unfair the way some people are dismissing what they dont agree with. Its ironic, people want it to be accepted and for their own views to be accept, but they arent accepting someone else's view that differs from their own.

I disagree.

No one jumped all over Rift when they added marriage with no gender restrictions.

AFAIK Rift is not a japanese game, different culture

[Lunavi]

Great for them- they have no problem putting women in skimpy outfits... so they have no problem offending the Middle Eastern sensibility that would have women covered up. Why would an international player base kowtow to provincial and outdated social attitudes? I doubt anyone would tolerate slavery in this game.

It's an international audience, so get with it. If it was a domestic product, then it would make sense.

Dude... Comparing this to slavery was taking this too far...

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[KyahAlmasy]

You really have to look at it from the other foot. There is a large group of people who would be upset if there WERE same sex marriages in this game. So it works both ways.

I, however, don't care. It's just a game and baring any special effects won't even bother with it. People can marry whoever they want in my book (not that anyone cares what my opinions are~).

Okay, but why would it bother them if a fictional story allowed same sex marriage? The whole point of playing final "fantasy" is to escape to a reality that does not take place in our world, that magic, monsters and glowing crystals peek around every corner -- it bears no parallel to our own reality. Even my mother, who is staunchly against gay marriage felt it was ridiculous, "If you wanted to play a game that realistic, than you shouldn't even be playing a game called Final Fantasy." It'd be like picking 50 shades of gray and getting offended that the book had mature content in it.

It doesn't only bother those who are upset about feeling discriminated against, but it bothers those who feel the development is becoming contrived and driven by clandestine messages and views from those hidden behind the curtains, and I can bet my bottom dollar that the amount of players against 3rd party influence, overshadow the ones for it by a long shot, and that the ones sitting in their folded chairs with their arms crossed saying "Nope, don't want it." don't even play the game. I don't know about you, but I play this game to get away from all that, and the moment I start to feel like Big Brother is winking at me every time I log in, will be the day that I stop playing. I may only be one subscriber, but I can surely say that I won't be the only one -- And Square can't say we didn't warn them, because the evidence is falling like rain, and they are simply choosing not to notice.

[Elim]

I'd only be interested in the marriage system if there was a perk to it, such as being able to summon your partner and have him or her teleport to you freely or cheaply. I really, really hope SE considers those sorts of small perks to make the system less bland.

[Noahlimits]

Okay, but why would it bother them if a fictional story allowed same sex marriage?

No idea, I'm not them.

The whole point of playing final "fantasy" is to escape to a reality that does not take place in our world, that magic, monsters and glowing crystals peek around every corner -- it bears no parallel to our own reality.

Isn't it possible in this other reality that there is no such thing as same sex marriage?


Again, I'm all for same sex marriages (I don't care, honestly). I'm just bringing up counter points to stuff you're saying since I'm sure that's what the other side of the fence is thinking. It's not always black and white to other people like it is for us.

[Tule]

No idea, I'm not them.



Isn't it possible in this other reality that there is no such thing as same sex marriage?


Again, I'm all for same sex marriages (I don't care, honestly). I'm just bringing up counter points to stuff you're saying since I'm sure that's what the other side of the fence is thinking. It's not always black and white to other people like it is for us.

Isn't it possible in this other reality that there is no such thing as different race marriage? I'd like to see them take a stance against black/white marriage. The point is this is a video game, and unless there is a good reason it should all be possible.

[KyahAlmasy]

No idea, I'm not them.



Isn't it possible in this other reality that there is no such thing as same sex marriage?


Again, I'm all for same sex marriages (I don't care, honestly). I'm just bringing up counter points to stuff you're saying since I'm sure that's what the other side of the fence is thinking. It's not always black and white to other people like it is for us.

A developer on the Beta forums clearly stated that homosexuality is welcomed in world of Eorzea, and then went on to explain that they ultimately decided against it because they didn't want to offend anyone. Again, I'm also largely indifferent about the equality part because it's just a game, (But would certainly lean toward catering for everyone for simply the sake of a happy playerbase.) but when it's only driven in because so-and-so in his fancy lawn chair says "I don't like it." Then I begin to have a problem with it.

If the game can't develop something objectively within the suspension of the reality for their game, than they should just leave it out altogether. Otherwise you're unfairly expatriating a whole community of players without so much as justifying it within the context of the game. It's not only a back hand to their face, it's a back hand to their face in front of everyone.