Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[sylent09]

I really think sands of time should be purchased with tomes. Need weathered armor plus sands of time to upgrade armor.

[RumiP]

I really think sands of time should be purchased with tomes. Need weathered armor plus sands of time to upgrade armor.

I'm willing to bet they probably will be at some point, but much later down the road. The way loot (sands) is itemized for groups of 8 right now, it's clear devs intend for coil2 to last a long time. A full clear group gets 2 per week, and if we assume everyone has... 4 items to upgrade, that's 4 months of full clears. -edit- 4 may be a bit much, let's say 2, be conservative, 2 would be 2 months. Not everyone is a scholar that needs 4+ sands for BiS

But right now, only groups with the required damage on The Avatar are even getting the one sands.

So yeah, I would assume 3-6 months from now an update would make them obtainable by some other means. It only makes sense to me considering AF+1 and Allagan were of the same quality.

[Raenryong]

Yoshi-P himself said their DPS output was amazing. Sorry, but there is not much skill just to BURN with maxed DPS anything that crosses the path...
Sure its not easy to max DPS but currently thats the only thing that counts, expect avoiding with learning the patterns, there isnt much skill involved...
As long as this game relys solely on a DPS race it will have problems with progression...

The reason DPS checks/enrages exist is to avoid groups trivialising content by stacking healers (as well as to provide a challenge for the DPS - healers have to ensure nobody dies, tanks have to not die while carrying out positioning and tank swapping etc, and dps have to ensure stuff dies quickly enough).

Imagine if no boss in this game punished you for taking a long time. You could feasibly just stack 4+ healers and slowly break down the content.

[Velhart]

So, why do you need 110-115 gear again if you are not raiding? In patch 2.0, a big complaint was that there was not as much incentive to raid because you could just buy all the gear. Even SE agreed this was not the best approach and increased the Allagan weapons to ilvl95. I am not opposed to multiple content to get gear, but raiding has to be the go to place to get the ultimate gear. Not exactly balanced that someone works their ass off in raids just to see some other guy who has the same, possibly better gear just from spamming easier content.

SE definitely does more than the average MMO on giving you a variety of ways to give you an edge in raids. You have primals, relic quest, soldiery gear, and so on. Not to mention you have the new floor of Crystal Tower in 2.3. This is how it should be set up. If there is no overall end game goal, that certain special set to get, then incentive to do end game drops dramatically.

Yes, large FC oriented content is something to be desired outside of CT runs. One thing I believe should of been done is make 16 or 24-man versions of Coils. Right now, FC's are heavily segregated in their own groups that are held together by food buffs. Hopefully SE is considering content like that in the upcoming expansion.

[SchalaZeal]

Not everyone is a scholar that needs 4+ sands for BiS

Oils. And I think Scholar needs 7 oils. Summoner 5. So I need 12. And I haven't cleared T5 yet.

[Jolly]

Yoshi-P himself said their DPS output was amazing. Sorry, but there is not much skill just to BURN with maxed DPS anything that crosses the path...
Sure its not easy to max DPS but currently thats the only thing that counts, expect avoiding with learning the patterns, there isnt much skill involved...
As long as this game relys solely on a DPS race it will have problems with progression...

This is WHOLLY untrue. While T8 is a DPS race, T9 is a TOTAL tank/healer check. Auto attacks hitting anywhere from 3k-7k. SURE IS A DPS CHECK. Lolno. T6 is a maneuverability check with a slight DPS check, and I say slight because it's really not hard at all to get the DPS needed to clear it. T7 is the same way. Both T6 and T7 are skill checks before they're DPS gear checks. T8 is a HUGE DPS AND skill check. I'll say the mechanics in T8 albeit simpler in nature, are much harder to master and coordinate, especially when you're racing the clock.

[Nadrojj]

The game isn't even an year in, no expansions out yet. Take it easy guy. I'm sure a new activity will be planned for you to burn through in 2.3 and plenty of new stuff with the first expansion.

[Gerolan]

I'm confused you want the best gear and feel you should be entitled to the same that people that spend months farming a raid to get?
I'm not a hardcore raider by any means, hell I still haven't finished the two new EX modes, but neither do I feel entitled to having the best gear in game.
The best gear should always go to the hardest content.

[Xatsh]

I do agree SE needs to stop the pure linear progression model. It is probally the worst part of WoW that everyone is adopting. It is the main reason for lack of content and quick content negation in most mmos.

Coil or the hardest content should obviously drop BIS gear... but it should not be 100% of the BIS gear.

There needs to be a reason to do other content in this game. Half the people I meet do not do moogle EX because the reward is not worth the effort atm, fight is harder then Levi EX and it drops gear that is negated by doing 8 Blayflox speed runs.

There should be something BIS from all endgame content at any 1 time, that way there is a reason to keep doing it besides getting an achievement.

[Prototype909]

OP is completely right. There's no reason that we shouldn't have another raid with equivalent difficulty to Coil that provides gear of the same level reward at this point. This isn't about "Boo hoo give me easier gear". It's about "Wow Coil is the only thing to do until the next Coil comes out because no other content is worth doing".

I know people hate FF XI on this forum but FF XI had tons of horizontally placed content in the end-game that gave players some variety in terms of what they wanted to do that day/week.

4 Man Dungeons - Give drops that would've been useful a full patch or two ago and even then they add chaffe in the form of the crafting drops so that you can't get them

CT - Is a joke and is balanced in such a way that it always will be because SE is afraid of making 24 man groups have to coordinate.

Coil - BiS progression, whether you want soldiery upgrades or Coil loot this is your only option

Levi and Moggle EX - Most people don't care about Moggle EX because it's a strictly inferior drop to Soldiery/Coil loot and will be outclassed. Levi I'll give you but that's ONE fight that people seem to have interest in.

Other Content - What is there really. Beastmen dailies for vanity minions/mounts...? Atma/Animus farming because that's so fun. No seriously, what else is there. Next to nothing, that's what.