Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

[Arkghyom]

Because they're special snowflakes.

[AngelMoon]

I'm ilv94 pld and i q titan hm to help a lot.

[Awrini]

You say skilled people don't teach others. I think the main misconception you have is differentiating between helping and carrying.

Case in point, on Diabolos server I have been running constant Thor March ex PF parties. Anyone is always welcome to join. If someone speaks up that they are new, I explain the entire fight else we just go at it. Generally if people are willing to listen / capable of improving the kills generally come after a few pulls. Otherwise people eventually get fed up and start dropping. At that point I kindly remove any people who are condescending or incompetent (personal judgement not 100% accurate, I have apologized for my mistakes) and put up another PF. In the past few weeks of doing this I have 138 wins and countless wipes. But in the end I feel with effort everybody is capable of learning.

Arrogance and incompetence are the cancers to any DF/PF party. It isn't from "skilled players refusing to teach" but more like "unskilled players refusing to learn".

[Goodberry]

Helping others, in the end, could let them become better players, so the helper would become less of a special snowflake. :P

[RumiP]

It's basically the idea that those people simply think they did everything exclusively on their own....

You mean to tell me that there is no work involved when you ready a text guide or watch a video to coordinate your teammates to execute the kill? Sometimes you don't have a party makeup identical to the guide, so you figure out other ways to make it work. That's what I meant by learning. We can all read a twintania guide and generally understand what the fight is about, but the learning is figuring out how your team needs to act, how you need to play around them and they you. This is only something wipes and attempts will teach.

Effort is still spent, guide or not, to ensure your team can win. What little experience you must have to sell that short so easily.

If it was as simple as reading a guide, then there wouldn't be much argument would there? There's been Twin guides out for ages now, and now people have the echo to help, but it's still proving to be a challenging fight for a lot of people to accomplish.

[HardcoreHolly]

Why don't the struggling players stop joining Titan Extreme party finders until I get my clear...

[MorbidAngel]

Because it's super annoying to have to explain every little detail about a dungeon/encounter or whatever and still have them not listen to you.

[o3o]

I'm ilv94 pld and i q titan hm to help a lot.

I do this alot too, but for the luls.

Titan hm is a joke now. All you need is 3 decent players to carry the group. Most are over geared + stick that massive echo buff on them.

[Welsper59]

You mean to tell me that there is no work involved when you ready a text guide or watch a video to coordinate your teammates to execute the kill? Sometimes you don't have a party makeup identical to the guide, so you figure out other ways to make it work. That's what I meant by learning. We can all read a twintania guide and generally understand what the fight is about, but the learning is figuring out how your team needs to act, how you need to play around them and they you. This is only something wipes and attempts will teach.

Effort is still spent, guide or not, to ensure your team can win. What little experience you must have to sell that short so easily.

If it was as simple as reading a guide, then there wouldn't be much argument would there? There's been Twin guides out for ages now, and now people have the echo to help, but it's still proving to be a challenging fight for a lot of people to accomplish.

Not at all. I've never said it wasn't an effort on their end. In fact, I've made the effort to imply that with words like "exclusively" and my latter saying "as well as their own of course". That last one should be the dead give away that I'm not saying there's no effort put forth by those people.

My entire point is the mentality that many people have, where all of the effort is, again, exclusively a result of their own. That there was never any involvement or work/effort on the part of another that got them to that point (essentially ignoring someone elses work through guides/help). And because of their efforts, everyone should be exactly like them, 100% perfect in every way for any given part of the game. Had that been an actual consideration on the jerks part, hostility to new players wouldn't be as abundant... it'd exist, but potentially to a smaller degree. There's just a lack of humility and a focus on the ego-centric and self-interest (which can extend to friends and such). Trust me when I say that being a pioneer is a much different experience than simply doing what you're told and following what others have done (maybe adapting it to suit your needs). You just can't compare the effort between the two, but that's another matter.

The idea from the OP is "what's wrong with just helping someone?" Why do you need to take advantage of your own situation for personal gain when it really isn't entirely needed? Mind you, I'm not saying people who do charge or expect rewards for their efforts in helping are bad people. That's 100% normal in my book. It's just a question of why can't we be generous once in a while when we know we easily could be.

[Odett]

There are things you can help people with, and there are things that are completely out of your reach.

You can teach people bomb patterns, how Leviathan charges, how to dodge divebombs, twisters, and many other mechanics.

You can't teach people how to dodge AoE's. If DPS is lacking in a burn because someone can't get their rotation right, there is no way that you'll teach a DPS class their correct priority/rotation (especially melee) in a fight and expect them to get it right in that moment, and neither should a group of 7 people be punished because someone didn't bother practicing on a training dummy.

You can definitely help someone with their rotation in a less challenging fight (provided they actually listen and don't ignore or insult you, which will happens 7 times out of 10), but you cannot teach that in a challenging fight. You cannot teach someone how to do a fight when they don't even take the time to read their skills and know their class.