Zoidac Weapon 2.28

[TheRogueX]

So what you're saying is, because you mess around with an MMO a few hours a week. It's ok for them to postpone it for players like you?

No, he's saying that it already takes him forever. He doesn't care that everything is postponed because he's already mad that it's a system that is very anti-casual and he's going to just keep falling further behind no matter if the quests are added now or next month.

As another very casual player, I can sorta understand his frustration. For me, though, I don't really care because the more content they add before I get to the endgame, the more I have to do when I get there.

EDIT: Also, Reddit has an interesting theory regarding the Zodiac weapons, Atmas, and time. Some people have been getting their Atmas very quickly by experimenting with this.

[blowfin]

How is them offering you 3 different ways to get end game weapons pushing you into any of them?

If you want an Animus weapon, you're pushed into the Animus content. It's simple. Certainly seems like a lot of people chose not to do it though, and you're calling them whiners? Bahaha. "Smart people" is a more apt term for them.

This quest was accessible the minute the patch came up, Leviathan Extreme and Coil take work to get into, so people chose this one, because they thought it would be the easiest and fastest, then there was the huge influx of not just whining but also calling it broken because it was exactly what Yoshi said it would be, and now we have delayed content once again.

Yeah, yet they made the most accessible quest the most ridiculously grindy. I've cleared Titan EX, Ifrit EX, T5, and have farmed a Wave Axe after the patch in less time than it took me to get my Atma weapon. The time investment simply isn't worth it. This is why people aren't farming the weapons, it's not because the community is weak willed or any of that garbage. They just don't want to subject themselves to it.

Again. Blaming the playerbase is just being noxious and short sighted. Any delay here is due to SE not reading their playerbase well enough, and simply not making the Atma/Animus enticing enough for players.

But by all means continue on with the "whiners have ruined my Animus plans!!11!1!!" sentiment. It's very becoming.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Compared to 11 where relics used to take you years (yes, literally), this is not so bad. :P

I don't get the "give me now" mentality. I understand the tedious time sink, but come on, it wasn't meant to take you a few hours/2 days to acquire. Even I don't get too much time to play as I used to and I think the RNG, while frustrating, is fine as it is.

I think players have gotten very spoiled (no offense intended) requesting things they want their way, and the devs catering to them. There needs to be some middle ground.

In my humble opinion, it's not like things have changed and now people have less time in their hands. People used to have less time back then as well. I never understood this argument. The only things that have changed have been the MMOs designs marking a different era where getting things fast has become the norm because people want things fast, not because they have less time than back then. I mean, yeah if you were a teenager back then you obviously have less time now, XD but what I mean is, because of it, some people "demanded" developers to make less time sinks and since MMOs starting becoming popular, it reached to a wider population. The more people it reached, the more vocal? I guess. Then Devs listened and did what players wanted, which is not always a good thing, because, this is what happens. They got them used to getting things fast and now they can't go back.

[Mikedizzy]

I would like to see the numbers for the ENTIRE game:
How many players have animus?
How many players have ATMA?
I bet it is not very many at all.

[Whiteprincess]

woot i have 8 atma! i'm almost there. just 100 more atma to go to finish all my jobs! fun stuff

[kaya_suzumiya]

think im at 8 crab, 8 archer, 1 ram, 2 waterbearer and already got my atma paladin weapon and animus shield. just farming atma 4-5hrs every 3 or 4 days seeing as need to get more seals to pay for ventures which im doing the atma farming on warrior.
so finished 2 zones for atma at moment which was north shroud and western la noscea. working on upper la noscea whenever i need seals to pay for ventures

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

do you really think they will leave this uncheck for long? you can dream.



you do recall that we are playing at a game... not pointing to a work... just saying!

Your missing the whole point... I'm addressing the fact that people are saying just because you have to grind low level fates, its easy. Just because your not fighting a lv 100 boss, its easy. Nothing is easy about camping those fates all day. And nothing is easy about grinding 1500 Myths a book. That's all I'm saying...

I'm talking about the stupid person who likes to jump in when someone says grinding fates, or completing the Animus is hard just to say, "No its not its easy because your doing low level fates." And the idiots always bringing up the time=difficulty argument. When it's not about that at all. When the "hard" we mean is that its not easily obtainable, nor can you wave gil at high level players to do it for you. Hence the grind factor.

[silentwindfr]

Your missing the whole point... I'm addressing the fact that people are saying just because you have to grind low level fates, its easy. Just because your not fighting a lv 100 boss, its easy. Nothing is easy about camping those fates all day. And nothing is easy about grinding 1500 Myths a book. That's all I'm saying...

I'm talking about the stupid person who likes to jump in when someone says grinding fates, or completing the Animus is hard just to say, "No its not its easy because your doing low level fates."

ok, my bad, we are saying the same then hehe
the most fun part about all this... is gerolt and levi weapon are faster to get... a loooot and ask only to have a group dedicated to that content. outside this... well they are extremely easy at get.
3 weak of soldiery cap and an item get in T7, if your group farm T7, it's 1-2 hours for do it (after i admit your group must leave you the item, but that another subject). levi fight is not that long too and can be farmed (indeed the drop rate of the mirror are weak) and if you do it with a static you will get it more faster than getting your atma.

and here the sad joke, the guys that have acces to levi and t7, can fairly do both in the week and still work on animus while out of the raid... for make simple they have acces to all content. that not the case of all the people doing atma/animus. for multiple reason, this people are forced into this tiedious grind for what? give content for big player? seriously? if that was all the quest... why not... but we have novus and surely for the 2.3 another step coming... is part of a bigger chain... why make this part soo nobrain and extremely long? i don't see the point.

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

ok, my bad, we are saying the same then hehe

Yeah who knows what those guys were thinking when they made the quest. But it was made, it was handed to me on a plate, so I ate it, and got my Animus. Have had it for a week and a half now. And it makes me a bit stronger for my raid group. I was apart of a group that constantly died on T5, and some of them never got past it, so when 2.2 dropped I was on turn 6 with no raid group, and I wasn't the type to abandon them trying to help them get past 5. So in the meanwhile I got my Animus because I knew it would always be upgradable. But they eventually broke up the raid group, and I've been picked up by a new raid group that is on T6. And I didn't really feel like skipping through the storyline real fast to get to Leviathan ex to do it over and over for a weapon so I chose the atma route. I knew that even if I did go get a Leviathan weapon (Although i'm on it now, the storyline was ok, but a bit shorter than expected) I would eventually still need to complete my relic. Because when turn 10 gets introduced, I'm sure you'll be able to upgrade that relic.

I'm a black mage, and if you ask me that's a lot of soldiery (1200 sol's and chest drop from T7) for 40 accuracy along with 28 spell speed for my weathered weapon. I don't have accuracy problems, and I have a lot of jewelry with accuracy on it at the moment along with the fact that my Animus has 40 spell speed on it. So I was looking forward to the next part of the Zodiac quest so I can look even sexier because where I'm from (FFXI) the word "relic" meant something. LOL

The sad thing that we fail to realize is playing an MMORPG is nothing but a tedious grind. We log on everyday to get stronger, and while you sleep or are at work some people are getting stronger. The whole concept of the game is a grind. My cousin once did 70 Crystal towers without seeing his scholar gloves drop. Stuff like this happens. We play the games to get things, but we also play the game for the company of our friends and to see them get things as well while experiencing epic battles with our friends. It's not always about "us". What we get in the game is just a bonus to our contributions, dedication, time, and achievements.

[DkFusion]

woot i have 8 atma! i'm almost there. just 100 more atma to go to finish all my jobs! fun stuff

This is why it has to be a grind. And a long one. If you got every unidentified tomestone it would take you a minimum of 9 weeks straight of beating turn 7 and an incredible 26 weeks of soldiery...half a year to get all 9 weathered weapons. Weathered weapons are parallel to animus. If they made it any quicker and less time consuming to do you trivialize raid content yet AGAIN. And we're right back to everyone running around with all 9 relics 1 1/2 months after content release.