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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    That has to do with how it was worded. There's a lot of contradictions and loopholes especially when it points fingers to those that haven't bothered investing the time of day to care about grinding for their atma.

    I don't mind delays as long as they are honest and don't give runarounds and blame players in the process.

    You seem to be in the mind set that releasing content they know already needs fixed should take priority over releasing it in the proper form the first time. The sheer number of forum threads talking about the animus drop rate proves that wrong. You're just impatient. You somehow blame the players for their being too few weapons in the game. I'm sorry but that isn't the players fault. I'm going to use myself as an example here. I play this game nearly every day so I'm definitely in the hardcore group. Aside from working over 40 hours a week in the last weeks I've been farming for my bear mount (98/200!), getting BiS for my War so I had accuracy to hit t6 properly, also working on t6 (first win monday woo!), and I've been getting Weaving mining and goldsmithing to 50. I play a lot. I only have 5 out of 12 Atma because it is an incredible time sink that pulls me away from making other progress in order to stand in a zone for hours on end in a vain hope that I might get lucky. All the while I'm ability locked doing low level fates. The ONLY reason I do not have this weapon is because quite simply the existing method to upgrade your weapons is a complete and totally bad implementation. It is in no way the players faults that there are too few animus weapons. This is directly caused by bad design and needed to be fixed by square.

    Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon.: Aside from the "and what of it", it doesn't justify the delay in anyway.
    Yes, it absolutely does. It was a bad design, it's holding people back and it needs fixed. There is absolutely a reason to keep the game balance in check by delaying the new release. This isn't about you and the fact you have your weapon. This is about overall game health. Square is making the right call.


    We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.: There's been "feedback" since the launch of 2.2 so why is this a thing now?
    Because major balance patches don't happen all willy nilly. This was the first big patch after 2.2 dropped. This was, and always was, the correct time to release such fixes. It always has been and always will be. So that's why this is "a thing now." You should have seen this coming. Also, developers do not release knee jerk reaction fixes to content just because people complain. They have a whole process that must be followed internally to vet out how to change it, play test that change, bug fix that change, etc. You can't just read a bunch of complaints on a forum and fix it on a whim. That is not how game design works.

    We are working to increase the number of locations where materials for the next upgrade can be obtained.: Why can't they just release the "fix" in 2.28 instead of delaying it overall?
    Because releasing knowingly broken content is a poor business decision. The only people they would appease is the EXTREMELY small portion of the player base who actually finished their weapon. Appeasing that small portion is not more important than releasing the content in a proper form the first time. You are not a special snowflake who should be allowed to continue while nearly the entire community gets stuck behind because of bad design.

    The fact they are going back and modifying this is a tacit admission that they designed this poorly. This was in no way them blaming it on the players.
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    Last edited by Tiggy; 04-23-2014 at 11:25 PM.

  2. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by IfritReborn View Post
    I'm aware, they're gonna make the changes in 2.28 not 2.25.
    They add the Novus quest in 2.28. It don't mean that they don't change anything about Atma quest and Animus quest in 2.25.
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  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    You seem to be in the mind set that releasing content they know already needs fixed should take priority over releasing it in the proper form the first time.
    You can assume what you want.
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  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by IfritReborn View Post
    how does that affect me?
    Well, if it doesn't affect you why are you so concerned? Is it because you are not going to be the only one with the shiny weapon? Everybody started with a Zenith weapon, but not all of them have an Animus because they either rage quit or just don't have as much time/luck to put on the quest like some of us. Even if 500 more people begin the quest for Novus with Animus, you are most likely to get it before them.
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    Last edited by RunaRugar; 04-23-2014 at 11:28 PM.

  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon.: Aside from the "and what of it", it doesn't justify the delay in anyway.
    Don't you understand? The content is not ready anyway, and there's no point in implementing what's done of it when only a miniscule portion of the population can access it. If anything, the usual suspects would start crying about Novus as it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.: There's been "feedback" since the launch of 2.2 so why is this a thing now?
    Again, do you not know how to read? There's plenty of feedback but none of it has been used to make changes, that is, incorporating feedback.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Wouldn't of had to apologize if "Novus" was released in 2.25 and the fix in 2.28.
    Gee, I wonder which approach would have required the least amount of apologies.
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  6. #126
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    Because the content isn't finished when 2.25 rolls, they're just not saying it straight to our faces.

    That said though, the initial mistake made was telling people that the continuation of the Zodiac weapon quest would be implemented in 2.25.
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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    You can assume what you want.
    Why can't they just release the "fix" in 2.28 instead of delaying it overall?
    Based on that line and your entire argument it doesn't feel like much of an assumption sir. You would rather have them release content they agree needs work than to let them get it out right the first time. You went as far as to make a whole post detailing it as such. It may be an assumption because you didn't explicitly say those words, but I feel confident enough in my reading comprehension skills to see what you're saying. The way I see it this is what you are saying, or you're just annoyed you can't continue to improve you weapon right away and your just whining about it.
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  8. #128
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    It's all about me! Me me me me!!!
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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faiyez View Post
    Don't you understand?
    I do understand seems you on the other hand do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    Because the content isn't finished when 2.25 rolls, they're just not saying it straight to our faces.
    Which is what I hate about how it was worded.

    Either they aren't being honest or they are straight up putting the blame on those that didn't want to partake on the grind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Which is what I hate about how it was worded.

    Either they aren't being honest or they are straight up putting the blame on those that didn't want to partake on the grind.
    Blaming those that didn't want to do the grind? Yes, that is what they are doing- it's also called listening to feedback. They made customers unhappy who are either not doing the badly designed content or quitting. When customers get mad like this, there is only SE to blame.
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