We need a response from Yoshi about the Atma quest.

[Worm]

Unqualified, how so? Please enlighten me where that break down fails? and if you tell me to buy the runs your an idiot.

That dozens are quitting the game for every one that complains ...

[Vesuvias]

It is a saying in the culinary/restaurant world, and yes i am very qualified to say that. But again to prove a point i already have friends who arent coming back till they fix the bs rng of atma grind. there are people who have been farming the crap out of them and yet have none, but there are people who have been farming for a day and have it already. that is A, soul crushing for someone who takes time to put 48 hours into one spot, and they have nothing to show for it when have the fc goes oh hey look i just got my last one. that kills ambition, and development, the books are so much better of a time sink as you know what your doing and at what pace, this rng grind just burns people out.

[riktir]

you know what i don't care anymore, i just want se to give us numbers at what percentage cuz this 2% i'm not buying it. heck, if it is 2% at least i know what im getting into "98% of disappointment" but at least i know

[Kitkat]

The most interesting point in this shouldn't be that they are doing it in FFXIV so much as they have done it since FFXI with progression weapons like this. Since the introduction of dynamis in FFXI and relic weapons, not to mention any other content they had considered "endgame" it worked off the RNG grind method. The difference now is that it now working off a system that was mainly implemented to help players level....but otherwise had no sustaining life in the game AKA FATE grinding.

It isn't so much that they make you do it for Atma as it is from the point you reach Zenith until you finish the 9th book you will be doing fates, either random or specific, in order to finish the weapon. This is to create the artificial slow down in progression so that players don't complete the game too fast and then stated "I have nothing to do." Obviously players who have nothing to do will start to log on less and less or eventually stop playing all together. However, if the implementation of the progression slow down is poor, then it creates dissent and weariness in the players that developers are attempting to rehash existing content rather than add new interesting content or fix current existing content so that it has impact/creates significant reason to do.

[Worm]

It is a saying in the culinary/restaurant world, and yes i am very qualified to say that. But again to prove a point i already have friends who arent coming back till they fix the bs rng of atma grind. there are people who have been farming the crap out of them and yet have none, but there are people who have been farming for a day and have it already. that is A, soul crushing for someone who takes time to put 48 hours into one spot, and they have nothing to show for it when have the fc goes oh hey look i just got my last one. that kills ambition, and development, the books are so much better of a time sink as you know what your doing and at what pace, this rng grind just burns people out.

Oh I wasn't aware it was a saying. Anyway, people burn themselves out on the grind, right in the Q&A it's said this isn't something to be completed in 2.2 but what does everyone do? Tries to complete it in 2.2!

I guess I just have to admit that everything does have to be linear grinds with weekly if not daily caps. If you take away that structure from the modern MMO player they just lose their minds.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Maybe they're doing it now since they finished everything else

[Elven]

The most interesting part I find about this whole relic upgrade quest is not the RNG fate grinding but the myth farming process for the books. Let me put this in perspective. Since my main character is a dps we often have longer wait times to get in instances and if that isn't bad enough some of the requirements of the books request you wait for specific fates to spawn which could take hours. So I did the next best thing and atma farmed with a different character and I got one and before I knew it I got the whole set.

[Elven]

The most interesting part I find about this whole relic upgrade quest is not the RNG fate grinding but the myth farming process for the books. Let me put this in perspective. Since my main character is a dps we often have longer wait times to get in instances and if that isn't bad enough some of the requirements of the books request you wait for specific fates to spawn which could take hours. So I did the next best thing and atma farmed with a different character and I got one and before I knew it I got the whole set.

But there is a point to all this. Now when I farm for atma I expect one to drop every fate. I asked myself would I be happy farming a set number say 500 fates or get it first fate. Because how it works you could grind for 10 minutes or 10 hours and get the same results. 13,500 Mythologies is a real number and I am so over it very tired and grinding is redundant. You get to view RNG very differently when you get to look at both sides of the coin.