Just a bit of a whine.

[Obysuca]

I'm not devaluing the other guy. I'm saying both can roll and the system decides. That is a fair way to distribute loot to multiple people who have invested time. Your way is "oh that guy is better geared. He obviously doesn't deserve to roll"

Like I said before, theres a reason they're called need and greed. Glamour does not justify "needing" gear. That's just greed. You know, the actual definition of it.

[Obysuca]

I mean what else is there to do in this game? If I do dungeons everyday I will get the best gear(except coil) for free anyways. And what does it matter if I have ilvl 80 or ilvl 100, I'm still gonna run the same dungeons I have 200 times except this time I will heal for 200 more each cure making the dungeons eeeven easier. So yeah this game has a bad itemprogression system unless you're raiding, so collecting gear is what I find the most fun

That's just a big flaw in the game itself, that SE really should have thought of. But they kind of half assed XIV into a lobby game :/

[Airal]

The back and forth you guys are having comes down to one thing: the mindset of the experienced player. Does s/he feel entitled to their right to need? Or do they have a different mindset that is more generous? Most of this community (particularly visible on the forum) follow the former rather than the latter. Arguing back and forth about who is being devalued more is pointless unless SE changes their need/greed system.

[Lambadelta]

Like I said before, theres a reason they're called need and greed. Glamour does not justify "needing" gear. That's just greed. You know, the actual definition of it.

Actually until SE says that glamour isn't a need worthy reason for needing you are incorrect. If the system says they can need they can need for WHATEVER reason they want. You cannot say you know the definition of a system you did not design. You cannot say the needs of One is better than the needs of Another. Get off your high horse.

[Obysuca]

Actually until SE says that glamour isn't a need worthy reason for needing you are incorrect.

They shouldn't have to. Theres a thing out there that apparently not a lot of people have. Common Sense


Hit the daily limit :P

Finding it ironic when you call people selfish dicks, tell them they lack common sense when not a single person has been rude to you. Guess who is being toxic here

I'm saying how people are being toxic for that mentality they seem to have of "Only I matter, screw everyone else"

This is what have been said repeatedly in the thread, and its the best way to go about it. But its just not going through some people's heads it looks.

That's what I agree about, if they want it for glamour/another job, then ask, but looking through this topic, not a single person has said that. People are posting how everyone should hit need, even if they don't really need it.

You are the one lacking common sense if you throw away the values of others for your own ill-conceived views of what a Need is.

It's not my view. It's the dictionary definition of it
The people who go "Oh hey, I need ____, but only for glamour. There's another guy in here who actually needs it, LOL screw him" THAT is throwing away the value of others. If I go into a dungeon and something drops and I have better gear, I do the nice thing and pass. That gear can help other people. This is a mmo, not a single player game, believe it or not, it's not all about you.


This daily post limit sucks >.> It's way too low

attacking someones playstyle because its different than yours and then telling them they are playing the wrong game? you sound alot like the supposed terrible caustic community you are demonizing

I'm going to go ahead and assume you have zero humor. I was not attacking their playstyle or anything, I was merely making a joke, since there's a whole different genre of games out there specifically for glamour/vanity.

[AiChyan]

They shouldn't have to. Theres a thing out there that apparently not a lot of people have. Common Sense

Finding it ironic when you call people selfish dicks, tell them they lack common sense when not a single person has been rude to you. Guess who is being toxic here

[Kiara1]

If you really want something just ask the other player.
Yesterday I did Bryaflox's Longstop Story mode for my atma book and I was hoping to get some gear to my pugilist while doing it.
But when I joined the tank said he'd been farming this dungeon a couple of times now for the infantry set.
So we agreed that if the skirt dropped I would get it, and he would get the other pieces cause that was the one I wanted the most.

It was that simple, now none of us got what we wanted but it was a nice deal and both were happy about it

[AiChyan]

If you really want something just ask the other player.
Yesterday I did Bryaflox's Longstop Story mode for my atma book and I was hoping to get some gear to my pugilist while doing it.
But when I joined the tank said he'd been farming this dungeon a couple of times now for the infantry set.
So we agreed that if the skirt dropped I would get it, and he would get the other pieces cause that was the one I wanted the most.

It was that simple, now none of us got what we wanted but it was a nice deal and both were happy about it

This is what have been said repeatedly in the thread, and its the best way to go about it. But its just not going through some people's heads it looks.

[Lambadelta]

They shouldn't have to. Theres a thing out there that apparently not a lot of people have. Common Sense

You are the one lacking common sense if you throw away the values of others for your own ill-conceived views of what a Need is.

[Warlyx]

They shouldn't have to. Theres a thing out there that apparently not a lot of people have. Common Sense

vanity is a good reason to do old content , u help newbies to pass that content and u can get rewarded . thats why u still have ppl doing stone vigil , brayflox normal ,ect

telling high geared ppl NO , not allowed to loot on that weapon in stone vigil ,or nop not allowed to loot battlemage robe because there is a low lvl that need it more than u is sure a good way to help lowbies