Feels good to play with people like this

[ispano]

what ruined is saying is that one mistake should not mean you get kicked. more often than not, i have gone into levi ex in groups that say farm/no new people death equals replace, and the person that started the group somehow dies first. or to something easy. should they be held to their own standard? yes, but they never are.
as for the lying about experience, its somewhat crazy that someone can make a pf looking for new people and no one joins, but a farm or kill exp has new people. no one wants to admit that they are behind others when it comes to content. no one enjoys being looked down on, even more so when its something designed to have fun with other people.

I've seen leaders hold to their own standards on many occasions. Most that don't, should be lumped in with those lying about their experience, because that's what they're doing for the most part. Also, most of the groups I see like this, aren't one mistake, usually two or if you keep making the same ones.

But you know what? No one has to join those groups. People, on both sides, need to, and i'm sorry, but grow up. If i'm new or inexperienced at something, I will tell the group. I won't let myself be bothered by people that look down on you or harass you, because all that does is encourage them to do it more. And fun is subjective, people need to stop bring that "argument".

[Kaze3434]

completely agree

yes there is a line where helping others goes to far, and people are not at beck and call. when you have 6 active LS and no one in any of them are willing/able to help on any of them, it really hurts, because you felt that the people in the LS were somewhat close, like a FC.

[Kaze3434]

very true

as have i. that doesnt and shouldnt allow the thought "oh you havent done this before? you must suck at this game" to become the norm.

[ispano]

as have i. that doesnt and shouldnt allow the thought "oh you havent done this before? you must suck at this game" to become the norm.

And it's not the norm. It's actually a rarity in comparison.

[Kaze3434]

And it's not the norm. It's actually a rarity in comparison.

sadly, it is the norm. when 10 out of 11 groups in pf consist of "no newbs/bads will kick on death" and the 11th being atma, it becomes a toxic breeding ground for hate of anyone that isnt at someone elses lvl of skill.

[MurakumoMillennium]

last night after getting tired of seeing the same "exp only, death=kick" on everything i made decided to pf with the exact opposite. it was for t5, and the majority of the people that joined had either only made it to conflags, or snakes. that was totally fine. i had made the party with that in mind. like expected, the first few trys were rough, but once we had a generally good plan, we got further and further. one of the people ended up quiting, so we left to replace and on the second try, we made it to dive bombs. all that we had to tell the two new people was how we were doing fireballs and conflags.overall, for 10 or so tries, we got pretty far, and more people got exp for the fight. everyone enjoyed talking with eachother and learning, instead of automaticly being expected to know everything and being ridiculed for not having the luck to have 7 other people(or a fc) that is willing to help them. i plan to keep doing pf like this in the hopes more people get experience in the fight, make new friends, and hopefully down t5.

And once you have your kill and you go back to farm gear, what then? Will you reteach everyone all over? Will you take multiple days per win, with dozens of wipes in the process? Will you have the patience to put hours upon hours into something that you can otherwise avoid based on who you choose to bring?

Or... or, will you want a group that can get in and get things done quickly? Will you only look for people who are experienced (like yourself will then be)? I bet after you sink countless hours, and put in all the time and effort, that you'll finally view things from the other side and you won't be so patient with each and every group.

If you say you'll continue to teach, you're a liar. If you restrict based on experience and prior kills, then you've become the very person who you're trying to "shame" in your post.

[Kaze3434]

wow

not trying to shame anyone, and yes, i will continue to do t5 groups with new people. we wipe we wipe. not everyone is of the "i got this done, i dont need to do it any more" mindset. its enjoyable for me to have a group i am with push past the last death point and get past things. as for sinking hours, i have already done that with t5 before my static fell apart. and will still do it for however long i do.

[RumiP]

ridiculed for not having the luck to have 7 other people(or a fc) that is willing to help them.

This is the part I start to balk at some. It's not luck. It's socializing. It's actively going out and seeking a group of people with the same set of goals as you and to work together to achieve them. It's not a die-roll or a coil flip. You seek people out and do your best to mesh and make it work. It requires a level of commitment some people don't have the ability or will to have, and that's entirely understandable. It's not luck though, and it's also not waiting for help.

I'm glad you found folks to play with though. Consider remembering their names and maybe working a schedule together with them so you can meet again to continue your progress.

-edit- read newer posts since i typed this

If you like playing with new people, all the power to you. Those people would likely appreciate it too. Like an earlier poster said, it just gets old for some of us after a while.

[Doo]

not trying to shame anyone, and yes, i will continue to do t5 groups with new people. we wipe we wipe. . and will still do it for however long i do.

If you truly can keep going at it for more then a week or two, then you're truly like in the .001 percentile of the player base. I can't imagine doing Titan Ext over and over again with new players. Most of the players that you end up helping will eventually turn into the players that put "know the fight" or "No newbies" when they make pf groups. It's nice of you to do all that stuff but I think in the end you'll just most likely end up being used rather than helping the community.

[Xerich]

ITT: butthurt

It's okay guys, your in game status is not being threatened because someone enjoys doing content in DF.