Feels good to play with people like this

[AnimaAnimus]

Well, at the end of the day, this is a game and should not be treated as a secondary job.

I refuse to get treated as an employee or some second tier citizen by the "elite" in this game and would prefer to run with bads with great attitudes all day.

Yep always try to shame with "elite" status cause someone doesn't have hours to help teach someone every time they put up party finder lol. Wanna talk about being treated as an employee or a second tier citizen cause you are forced to train someone every time you want to do anything that requires a group or take the chance of being called an elite or worse. Sorry Im not your tutor, trainer, personal helper or servant.

Sometimes you just wanna get it done or you just have time for a quick win.

Sorry if I don't have 3 hrs to teach you a run every time I wanna do anything that requires party/duty finder. Talk about turning this game into a secondary job.

When I do, I put in "learning party", "newcomers welcome" or something of that sort. And we tend to have a good time when I do!

[Kaze3434]

glad to see there are at least still some people who hold the same thoughts i had when i started this game back in 1.0(granted i couldnt use that account for jack squat). whole point is to have fun learning with people. on principle, i dont like watching videos of someone doing a fight until i have at least done it once. i would rather have a server full of people that have exp in everything thanks to everyone helping eachother learn and get thru things rather then a server with 1/10 of the server having content on lock down, and then expecting everyone else to automaticaly be at the same level as them.

[Kaze3434]

Repeat that experience over and over again every time you get someone new and it gets old fast.

yes and no. people have different levels of patience. i intend to do this for as long as i can, purely for the teaching/learning exp. once next coils gets unlocked i will do the same. do i expect people to automaticaly know everything to do in a fight? no, but seeing as how this game is mostly reaction based, i hope they have at least some good reaction time, or can build it.

[jars]

I got my first twintania kill in a PF group.

I see people complain about the PF, but the option to make your own group is always there.

[Kaze3434]

friendly elitism

thats just it. its not always a long teaching experience. and yes, some people will want that fast win, and sometimes they get that win, but when someone either has to lie about experience or hope they find 7 others that want to try something, it just screams wrong. as a community, shouldnt we try to help people who are struggling with something? in my case, i havent downed t5 mainly because my static broke apart. now t5 is on farm for a good number of people, and no one is willing to help others learn it. watching a video can only get you so far. actually doing something will teach you more, but you cant do it if no one is willing.

before it gets said, no, im not asking everyone to carry people, just saying try to see how you look in a "lower" persons eyes. you have all that amazing and hard to get gear, they want to reach that level. off chance someone says you look cool or congrat you on it, and you just so happen to put up a pf that puts down everyone that doesnt have what you have. you have now given that person a glimpse as how people "on top" see others. as garbage, kick worthy, and for some reason, sometimes blist worthy. and yes, some people have been blisted for making a simple mistake, or sometimes, latency.

[AnimaAnimus]

I totally agree we should as a community help each other out. I am willing to teach or help someone out and do so regularly but so many ppl expect us to be in teacher-mode every time we put up party finder and sometimes that is just as non-doable with our schedules as it is with their schedule. And frankly it gets a little tiring to be called names and badgered all the time cause tonight you just want a quick run.

As a community the casuals need to understand that the so-called "elites" are not at their beck and call. The real elitism isn't the hardcore crowd but the crowd who expects everyone to drop what they are doing and help them out right frakin now just cause their schedule doesn't allow them to play as much or they don't have a fc that does that content.

[ispano]

People learn from their mistakes? How the hell does that work?! I thought we were all supposed to automatically be blessed with the knowledge of every fight...

Seriously, though, a constantly rotating death = kick roster just naturally seems like it would take longer to finally get a win, than by communicating what to do and how to do it so everyone's on the same page in a fight. I really don't get this backwards thinking that dying = failure instead of dying equals = learning.

Because the group with those rules isn't intended for learning. It's expected you know the fight in and out pretty much. So why join if you don't know the fight through and through?

thats just it. its not always a long teaching experience. and yes, some people will want that fast win, and sometimes they get that win, but when someone either has to lie about experience or hope they find 7 others that want to try something, it just screams wrong. as a community, shouldnt we try to help people who are struggling with something? in my case, i havent downed t5 mainly because my static broke apart. now t5 is on farm for a good number of people, and no one is willing to help others learn it. watching a video can only get you so far. actually doing something will teach you more, but you cant do it if no one is willing.

Then they shouldn't be lying about their experience.

[Doo]

yes and no. people have different levels of patience. i intend to do this for as long as i can, purely for the teaching/learning exp. once next coils gets unlocked i will do the same. do i expect people to automaticaly know everything to do in a fight? no, but seeing as how this game is mostly reaction based, i hope they have at least some good reaction time, or can build it.

That's some kind of patience since it can be hours upon hours of going through the early phases. I only do that type of stuff for mostly players I know because that's quite a lot of work. I think this is more of the responsibility of a good FC to do this type of stuff. You never know the type of players you're helping as well. A lot of them can just be the type that uses players and never helps back. I don't mind helping kind players though and it depends on my mood.

[Raenryong]

My main problem with T5 PF groups is that nobody seems to know how to dps...

[Kaze3434]

bad point good point

what ruined is saying is that one mistake should not mean you get kicked. more often than not, i have gone into levi ex in groups that say farm/no new people death equals replace, and the person that started the group somehow dies first. or to something easy. should they be held to their own standard? yes, but they never are.
as for the lying about experience, its somewhat crazy that someone can make a pf looking for new people and no one joins, but a farm or kill exp has new people. no one wants to admit that they are behind others when it comes to content. no one enjoys being looked down on, even more so when its something designed to have fun with other people.