2.2 Feedback. RNG, Atma, Mirrors and the lack of response from the dev team/Yoshida.

[Araeya]

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All that energy that people expend typing out long complaint threads on the forums and threatening to quit (I'm sure you'll be missed, by the way) would likely be much better spent finding something to play that is enjoyable for them until such point in time that this particular game may become more suitable for their personal tastes. In other words, shit or get off the pot.

As far as people not complaining because they're the lucky ones, as I have pointed out in the forums before, not all of us are so lucky and most of us don't complain about it. Complaining about RNG is a choice. Complaining about anything is a choice. People who make excuses for being complainers seem to just need something to complain about, really. There is a huge difference between complaining (and threatening to quit) and making polite suggestions.

Also, there is a lot of demanding that the devs respond to all the complaints. Seriously? Perhaps they get sick and tired of dealing with complaints. Most people who are happy with the state of the game don't say anything at all, but the complainers sure want to be heard no matter how hard they have to stomp their little feet.

[Giantbane]

Didn't get lucky some took 8, 8 and 10 hours while others were 1/1 or 15 min to get them. I finished my animus and I can say the myth farming was way worse then atmas and took much longer.

I had the same experience, where some took a very long time, but I got 6 in a period of about 3 hours. If I hadn't gotten that lucky streak, I would feel very differently about the whole thing. And considering the experience many have had (both on forums and people I've heard from in game), I consider that lucky. And that's why I don't like it, your entire enjoyment (finding the widget) is based off of pure low random chance that is going to vary wildly from player to player.

Why would you consider the myth farming worse? Just because it's longer? The atma grind *could* be longer, again, depending on your luck. The myth grind is fixed so you know what you're getting. And the myth grind involves lvl 50 dungeons where you have your entire moveset and are working with a group vs. spamming low level fates where you may only have 3 abilities total to choose from.

[Morgan_Leah]

They tried to fix the rng problem with a bandaid (sands/oil/unidentified tomestones) but it wasn't enough. Either remove the lockout and allow us to farm like CT in 2.1(one loot a week) or move to a full token system.

This was our 4th week of killing raffles and we got our 3rd pair of healer gloves and 2nd mnk hat. I know it's a small sample size but this really fucking sucks and limits progression.

[SavageWolf]

This was our 4th week of killing raffles and we got our 3rd pair of healer gloves and 2nd mnk hat. I know it's a small sample size but this really fucking sucks and limits progression.

Boohoo. This is normal for people who have come from a strong raiding background. In fact, this example is NOTHING compared to some of the drop rates/RNG/Timesinks of past MMOs. If you can't handle the RNG system, then find another game to play. RNG and Raiding go hand in hand when it comes to loot progression.

[Zumi]

Why would you consider the myth farming worse? Just because it's longer? The atma grind *could* be longer, again, depending on your luck. The myth grind is fixed so you know what you're getting. And the myth grind involves lvl 50 dungeons where you have your entire moveset and are working with a group vs. spamming low level fates where you may only have 3 abilities total to choose from.

Here is why I consider myth farming worse. Took 2 weeks to finish, its the same 5 min dungeon 30 times per book. At least with fates you get some variety and you get to ride around in different areas of the game and its not the same thing over and over and its more relaxing then 5 min BF speed runs. Honestly doing fates for atmas was a lot more fun then doing 270 BF speed runs.

[MasamuneBranford]

There is nothing wrong with the weapon system as it stands. It is working beautifully.

2.2 introduced 4 tiers of weapons:

Extreme Leviathan weapons (Item level 100 - when upgraded)
Seal / Coil Upgrade Weapons (Item level 110 - when upgraded)
Zodiac Weapons (We are told these can be upgraded in 2.25 and again in 2.3. Current belief is that when 2.3 arrives the upgrade will be item level 115).
Coil Drop Weapons (item level 115).

Coil Drop Weapons require the most amount of skill but significantly less time than a fully upgraded Zodiac weapon. 2.2 allows players who don't necessarily have the skill to take down the hardest bosses - to still possess an item level 115 weapon. If the player chooses to go the time consuming path - we can assume these weapons will be upgradeable for years to come. Having skill (and a bit of luck) will also nab you an equally powerful weapon (Coil Drop weapons).

Back in 2.1, did you complain when you had an item level 90 relic even though there were item level 95 weapons from Twintania available? Probably not. Pick up a Coil Upgraded weapon (item level 110) and you'll be in the same boat as before. There are enough options for everyone.

[Traek]

Here is why I consider myth farming worse. Took 2 weeks to finish, its the same 5 min dungeon 30 times per book. At least with fates you get some variety and you get to ride around in different areas of the game and its not the same thing over and over and its more relaxing then 5 min BF speed runs. Honestly doing fates for atmas was a lot more fun then doing 270 BF speed runs.

This is how I feel as well. I wouldn't consider myself lucky on any of the Atma, but there was variety. I don't think the Atma FATE system was a good way of implementing content, but it was still better then spamming Brayflox till my eyes bleed. I'm not even close to done and I am starting to have a hard time caring about Animus. I don't even mind the books, it is this ridiculous myth grind. If it were halved per book I might actually feel motivated to eye bleed for each one.

As far as Mirror drop rates.. it does need a bit of a boost. I still have yet to see one drop and cleared many times..

[Morgan_Leah]

I was in Elitist Jerks during vanilla wow and raided up until Naxxramas. I never remember having this awful loot luck even with 40 man content and having to compete against 4 other people in a 40 man raid. If you ever raid new/old coil let me know how you feel after 30+ weeks without seeing an item you need.

The rng system is part of the genre but that doesn't mean it's a good system or that people should just accept it. Especially when SE is putting content out so quickly. When new content comes out everything old is rendered useless. You have to pray to rng Jesus that your gear will drop before the new content is released otherwise you'll be behind.

Wow had this shit system in place for years but they finally moved to a token system. SE re-released this game last year so it's inexcusable that they're using this system.

[Rose-Wild]

So where are those majority people you're pertaining to, why not let them talk?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Upgrade-Quest

You wont find many posts with that many likes around this forums. And well you will say the people that visit the forums are a minority but the major part of them says that the atma farm is wrong.

[MasamuneBranford]

There is an easy response to everyone who is complaining. "Back in 2.1 did you complain that you had an i-level 90 weapon when there were i-level 95 weapons from Twintania available? You either had the i-level 95 weapon or you were perfectly content with your i-level 90 weapon. Save up 1300 Soldiery, upgrade it (to an i-level 110 weapon) and then you're in the same boat as you were in 2.1." Why is everyone complaining?