Community Ignored about Atma?

[Worm]

Nova thanks for making a better post about drop rates than me. Though I don't think forum posts were ever a good metric for player opinions. You probably had just as many threads about the first Relic being too easy as you have now about Atma being too hard.

Idling while waiting for stuff to happen is not effort.

This just feels like another non-point. Is farming Myth some really skilled based effort? I mean what can in your mind actually be done to make someone deserve their relic? What really defines effort in these games? Since apparently farming, camping, and all other things you don't want to do don't constitute effort.

[Kyana]

This just feels like another non-point. Is farming Myth some really skilled based effort? I mean what can in your mind actually be done to make someone deserve their relic? What really defines effort in these games? Since apparently farming, camping, and all other things you don't want to do don't constitute effort.

There is a difference between constant progress and a completely random drop.
One of my FC members got 1 drop so far in close to 500 FATEs over the last ~2 weeks for example.
If there was some sort of strategy to get them, like the lvl50 rare gathering nodes which only appear at certain times, or a system where your chances of a drop would increase the longer you do FATEs in an area, their current approach for ATMA farming would work.

If the FATEs would at least be a challenge!
But the only challenge is to get to a FATE before it's finished.

[Kyana]

So yes, it seems that we got our relic weapons all too easy, so making the difficulty level of obtaining atma/animus all that much harder seems justifiable.

Please define "difficulty" in FATE farming for a random drop.

[Mikh]

Please define "difficulty" in FATE farming for a random drop.

Especially since the FATEs are intended to be done by any random schmuck leveling in the area and you're coming in with ridiculously overpowered gear. Yes, you level sync but your gear is still going to be better than the random crap some poor little level 15 newbie would have had at the time. This isn't a 'challenge'. It's a lottery.

[lordparanoia]

The thing that drives me insane is that yoshida replied to the "mirror of the whorl" problem and is not giving importance to this problem.

Thank you SE

[Krr]

I see this a lot. "If you don't want to grind, get a different weapon". Do people remember what the requirements were for being able to do coil? Would it happen to be acquiring the very same weapon you're trying to upgrade? My question is, what's to stop SE from requiring people to have Animus weapon should they add another raid similar to coil?

Er, last I checked, you don't have to have a relic to enter first Coil. You need to complete the quest to kill HM Titan, who just conveniently happens to be the final roadblock to having a relic, so most players unlock first Coil in the same sweep that they get their relic.

Relic and "next raid boss" are on separate but sometimes related quest tracks. No precedent shows that this will change.

[Worm]

Please define "difficulty" in FATE farming for a random drop.

This isn't a 'challenge'. It's a lottery.

You guys keep beating on this drum but, what is challenge? What is difficulty? Is it myth farming? Hitting duty finder a hundred times until you randomly find competence? Honestly you guys throw around these words but I have no idea what a "skill based" 60+ hour grind would look like, and I don't think you do either. Is every fate going to be as difficult as HM Titan AND have a small drop rate? Should it be something like Odin and only people who rank gold get the item? Should the Atma Grind have just been implemented normally in a level 50 only area?

[Raucent]

The biggest complaint about atma is the RNG. If they had kept the fates but had it be say, get Gold rank on Lou Carcolh 20x, vs gold in any fate at a completely random chance, there would be less (no chance of pleasing everyone) complaining about the atma farm. Hell it took me 52 hours 200+ fates for Central Thanalan yet i went 1 fate only in Southern Thanalan.

[Ilitsa]

I just recently completed my Atma Gae Bolg after close to 100 hours. The -only- complaint that I had about it, was the whole low level FATE thing. I think they should have made it be the level 45+ FATEs only, personally, or had let us use an alt to level it while doing this. I do admit, it'd be nice to see an actual response one way or another on this subject.

[LanceAurion]

I'd like to know what Yoshida will ever do with this. I have constantly worked on FATEs in between DF's but I just don't have to the time to drop 8+ hours a day because of work and life. I get maybe 3 hours tops a day to play and that it devoted to Turn 5 or Sol grind. I'm not upset that he made it so we have to put some time into it, but I've had FC members walking out day 1 only 12 hours after patch with all 12 while others are doing hundreds just for 1. If there is a luck counter mechanic in the game, how can I dump points into it since it's 0? If there is a dice roll, can you please make it reasonable? We want to get better chances at getting this when most of us have an 8-5 and school to deal with, make it a little better for the simple working man who wants to enjoy an MMO with their friends instead of luck grinding.