Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[TirionCrey]

I'm fine with whatever changes, as long as failing the leves will not be the desired way to play anymore.

As much as I like the SP you get from failing them over and over...as much I don't like the fact that all this is just for fast ranking. I can get a class from 1-50 in 5 weeks now...that's just awful and horrible...

[Takedakai]

lol My hoping was rather selfish, it wasn't a 'for the benefit of the game' type wish .

Since most of us that are still around have adjusted to the current system I felt this way a bit at first as well. It is obvious to me though that in the long run, I'm quite glad that they are changing the role of the guildleve system. I'm also glad that they have decided to make guildleves just one of the many things to do in Eorzea.

I would still be happy if they eventually add new leves for more of what they seem to be meaning for "solo" or "casual" content but what I'm really interested in is how the developers are going to encourage teamwork and group play because that is really what makes an MMO stand out from a single player rpg.

[Vackashken]

Indeed, I think we all knew it was coming. Get ready for the slow grind to get the rest of your classes to 50.

I'm sure they will make it more interesting... or at least I hope. Either or I hope it does slow down a bit. But thats just me :P

[Raze]

Indeed, I think we all knew it was coming. Get ready for the slow grind to get the rest of your classes to 50.

The slow grind? You mean the same grind I've been doing ever since I learned about leves and decided full-linking and failure on purpose every round was too cheap to do? lol it's all the same to me, if you ask me 50 is too easy anyway. Sour grapes

[ApplePie]

Just means we are going to find the best leves to complete in each city. And if you don't have those leves, ttb~ A whole new round of leve-abuse! gg

[TheVedis]

Just means we are going to find the best leves to complete in each city. And if you don't have those leves, ttb~ A whole new round of leve-abuse! gg

you wont even have to find the best
if the bonus for completion is good enough, perhaps just doing 8 leves per cycle at 40 in general will be all that matters(the mob sp you get beyond that will just be added onto it of course)

i still believe the link bonus isnt being overly nerfed, even at 50% of it lost, that isnt even close to a majority of the sp per kill(its closer to 25% of the mob sp if you take 50% of the link bonus away)
amd how much or little do you think the completion bonus will be? especialy if it scales with the leve rank

[ApplePie]

you wont even have to find the best
if the bonus for completion is good enough, perhaps just doing 8 leves per cycle at 40 in general will be all that matters(the mob sp you get beyond that will just be added onto it of course)

i still believe the link bonus isnt being overly nerfed, even at 50% of it lost, that isnt even close to a majority of the sp per kill(its closer to 25% of the mob sp if you take 50% of the link bonus away)
amd how much or little do you think the completion bonus will be? especialy if it scales with the leve rank

2k at the most for rank 40 completion.

[Raze]

Well, at the very least no one's going to want to fail them, so you won't get the same leves every round, although some may be better. I prefer this system much more than what's currently implemented.

EDIT: Yikes if it's only 2k people might still fail them in some attempt to optimize SP gain I was hoping it would be on par with a percentage of sp obtained in the leve.

[ApplePie]

How can people prefer something they haven't even seen yet? It is like the idea of an ice cream flavor you will want to taste good that you create in your mind, but in reality, it will probably taste bad and you will be upset and want your old ice cream flavors back.

[Raze]

While your ice cream analogy is quite clever, when I said "this" I was referring to the system laid out in the letter, something like this:

"In light of guildleves’ repositioning as solo-oriented content, leve link bonuses will be reduced. To make up for this reduction, skill points will be added as a new reward for the benefit of solo adventurers.

At the same time, the objectives of certain guildleves will be adjusted in order to accommodate a system in which difficulty and completion time influence your reward. For example, completing a high-difficulty levequest in a short amount of time will yield greater rewards. Through this we hope to encourage skillful adventuring."

I just thought I'd comment on that since failing leves and having a completion bonus directly tie in with one another, so I thought I'd stay on topic, instead of new schemes to score uber sp with another lame trick.

Unless you're imagining ice cream that tastes like dog crap, it's better than the current leve system man.