Vote Kick yourself....

[Amnesia]

(...) you can leave without reprisal or penalty.

This is exactly the behavior that the 30-min penalty was designed to punish. Obviously, SE thinks that people should not do this.

[Sensyon]

This is exactly the behavior that the 30-min penalty was designed to punish. Obviously, SE thinks that people should not do this.

Some of SE's policies obviously didn't take everything into account. That's why they're constantly changing things. The 30 minute penalty and Vote-Kick features weren't always there, for example. My complaint is that there is zero reprimand for uncooperative parties. These pseudo-prebuilt parties come into DF and expect everyone to play by there rules. That's not cool...

[Amnesia]

My complaint is that there is zero reprimand for uncooperative parties.

I think that's exactly the reason for the penalty---so that one person can't just leave if they feel that the rest of the party is not meeting their expectations. They want to encourage people to work together and help each other to learn...

[Sensyon]

I think that's exactly the reason for the penalty---so that one person can't just leave if they feel that the rest of the party is not meeting their expectations. They want to encourage people to work together and help each other to learn...

Yet they refused to work with the other's outside of the pre-formed 5. And they were not interested in learning. They wanted carries... The non-preformed members were trying to tell them that learning the fight is the carry. They didn't want to hear it.

[ariaandkia]

Yet they refused to work with the other's outside of the pre-formed 5. And they were not interested in learning. They wanted carries... The non-preformed members were trying to tell them that learning the fight is the carry. They didn't want to hear it.

So from what I understand, they wanted to learn, but you didn't want to teach them and you felt that it was a burden to have to teach them?

[Sensyon]

So from what I understand, they wanted to learn, but you didn't want to teach them and you felt that it was a burden to have to teach them?

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

[ariaandkia]

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

Ok, cus your wording was a little odd in that post for me.

And "We did not win" doesn't mean that they weren't doing the right thing. Did they SAY that they wanted a carry? If not, then how can you prove that they wanted to be carried and weren't actually, you know, trying to beat it?

Maybe it was you three who had the wrong idea of how to beat it and it was you guys that were screwing up the run and not them?

I know that if I were to play the same way with EVERY group, I'd be failing most of my instances. Instead, I adjust to the group the best I can. This is especially important as a GLD at low levels since honestly, if I didn't aggro would go everywhere instead of at me.

[Seshayn]

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

Frankly, it's painfully obvious that you are the one who does not understand. You come to the forums looking to garner support for an idea you have that is based on personal experience and emotion more than logic, when told many times and in many ways WHY your idea is terrible, you play the "I'm so misunderstood" card and the classic "Well, you just don't understand me" trick. I tried to be nice about it before, but now I will say it plain.

Your idea is bad. Come up with a new one. Or don't.