The number of bad players are rising!

[Arkghyom]

So much drama!

[Foo01]

Thing is getting better should be a natural progression, isn't the whole point to play a game to be good at it ?

Actually if that is the goal, then it is more like a job/work/school. Not that it can NOT or shoul NOT happen, but it is secondary to having FUN.

FUN should be whole point. It should be fun even if people are NOT good at it, or if they are undergeared.

The problem is the elitist speedrunner are the bad players, because they are making the game less FUN for everyone else. NOT that I can NOT appreciate a run done quickly and smoothly, I like those too, but they are ruining the experience of other players by forcing to them skip cut scenes, forcing them to skip mobs, skip treasure chests, etc. etc. They even go as far as bailing in the middle of runs like this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...arming-service.


They are abusing the duty finder. Extracting the maximum for their selfish gain at the expense of the game and community. That by definition is a bad player, because they are bad for the game and community as whole.

And those elitist jerks can NOT be bothered to teach or help other players, because they think everyone else is a leach or freeloader.

[Jinko]

Well I guess it depends how you derive fun, some people enjoy being the best, others are happy to craft all day long and some are just happy in the middle.

Problem is when you mix these people in random parties sparks tend to fly.

[Foo01]

Well the solution is simple. Slow down and communicate and work out something that all members of the random parties can have fun with. It means being less rigid and less hell bent on doing things one way and one way only.

But unfortunately the speedrunner a.k.a elitist jerks are the bad players that refuse to yield or bend or accomodate, when they are the ones with the most capacity to do so. The noob or the undergeared players will need time to learn and get geared up and they are seen as obstacles/leaches/freeloaders in the eyes of the elitist jerk speedrunners who abuse the duty finder and couldn't be bothered to use the party finder.

[ReplicaX]

IDC how you folks label player types there is always good and bad in everyone of them, period.

[ArashiDaigon]

Not all speed runs are terrible, I joined a group last night where the healers helped me through the fights as I have never done the new Dungeons HM yet. One told me to grab them all to gate, etc for Brayflox HM, only 1 wipe at the last boss. During Halatali HM, the WHM helped explain the fights and we did not have 1 wipe. Outside of that, there are people out there that do speed runs still and willing to help even when doing speed runs, others not so much. Either way, people are being rather enjoyable and there are some that are being not so much. That's the nature of the beast of this game. Now is it because of bad players? It might be, as there are some that are just really bad at the game, however I've seen groups do so much better even with the 1 or 2 bad players. If 1 player is causing a problem and the 3 cannot pick up the slack... um perhaps it's you as well. Just chill, enjoy the game as it is, and stop stressing about a game, it's a game, seriously.

[CSX]

I used to have this problem. I would think to myself, "man. . .what the heck. . ." then I looked at the DF settings and noticed the "E" was checked/highlighted. I unchecked it, never ran into bad players ever again. Though, I still get a little sad when I see another underlined "E" in the party group when I should be the only one but usually they turn out to be ok.

I'm also on a Japanese server so my exposure to stupid is farily limited if not none existent.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Actually if that is the goal, then it is more like a job/work/school. Not that it can NOT or shoul NOT happen, but it is secondary to having FUN.

FUN should be whole point. It should be fun even if people are NOT good at it, or if they are undergeared.

I for one would like to know some games where it's more fun to lose than to win. I bet there aren't very many of them.

The problem is the elitist speedrunner are the bad players, because they are making the game less FUN for everyone else. NOT that I can NOT appreciate a run done quickly and smoothly, I like those too, but they are ruining the experience of other players by forcing to them skip cut scenes, forcing them to skip mobs, skip treasure chests, etc. etc. They even go as far as bailing in the middle of runs

I'll agree with you on the people who stop mid dungeon and ask to be kicked or just go afk until they get kicked. But there's nothing wrong with being efficient in a dungeon via skipping trash, large pulls, skipping chests that you can go back to after, skipping CSs etc.

You say it's not fun to skip mobs, I say it's not fun to waste time killing things that don't yield exp or worthwhile drops. Who is right and who is wrong? (I'll give you a hint: it's neither).

And those elitist jerks can NOT be bothered to teach or help other players, because they think everyone else is a leach or freeloader.

There are acceptable levels of what should be taught in game. Most people are happy with explaining basic boss mechanics and such, as there's nothing in the game so difficult that it can't be explained within a couple of lines. It's when you have to teach level 50s very basic job actions that there's an issue.

Unfortunately, it's not that these "elitist jerks" aren't willing to help. Most people are willing to help. But you can only have somebody spit in your face so many times when you offer to help them that you just stop giving a @#$% and let them fail on their own.

You wouldn't believe how many times very basic advice (such as telling a DRG they should use heavy thrust, or that a BRD should use their DoTs) only to get the "DON'T TELL ME HOW 2 PLEY" or "IT WURKS 4 ME" responses. Don't stand in the fire! "HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO?! DO YOU PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION? REPORTED FOR HARASSMENT".

So yeah, no. You can find out what to do just like everyone else did before you.

TL: DR Those so called "elitists" are more than willing to help somebody if the person in question is willing to learn.

[KingOfAbyss]

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Kudos for you mister. If I could give a commendation through the forum, you would have mine!

[Sarcasm]45 min? Are you out-of-your-mind? "They" want to run a complete dungeon in less than 5 minutes![/Sarcasm]

It's very hard to define a player, good or bad, based upon your own experience.

Some peeps play on PS3, and I heard from them it's not easy to type in chat.. Imagine during a Coil run..

Others were saying: Sorry my cat just jumped on me.. brb my kid just woke up.. etc..

You need to understand that there's a HUMAN being that monitor.. that has a real life..

Some people wants to play to vent from their work. Casually.. others will be Hardcore to the bone.. both are ok, it creates a community..

If it takes me 5 tries to catch upon a mechanic of a Trial/Dungeon/Whatever, vs others that wants you to "know what you are doing else you're kicked out, and you shall be tested blablabla"

How can you get the experience from it if you never did it in the first place? o.O

If that's what's a bad player to you guys, then I don't think the problem is bad players. Let them get experience, help them getting where you can count on them, and then you will have found a new mate to bring into your missing static member.. (and cutscenes are ok to watch for the first time.)

*I wonder how many of you actually communicate into instances.. oh no wait! SRs you can't type, come on, you are lacking DPS.. I have to run it x Times before reaching my Animus in 24 hours!

TD;DR - I don't pretend to be an Elite, just your average joe. If someone ask for help, and I can provide it, they'll receive it from me.

[Foo01]

I for one would like to know some games where it's more fun to lose than to win. I bet there aren't very many of them.

Actually there are plenty. All the competitive games, e-sport, PvP style games necessitate at winners and losers. The game can still be fun even if you lose the battle, or the race (in which case there are far more losers than winners, think Gran Turismo, or any other racing game.)

You say it's not fun to skip mobs, I say it's not fun to waste time killing things that don't yield exp or worthwhile drops. Who is right and who is wrong? (I'll give you a hint: it's neither).

You are deliberately misreading things. The default is to not skip, but the issue is people being FORCED to skip. That is the problem the speed runners are forcing other people to do things they do NOT want to and there is NOT even an attempt to negotiate a compromise because it take too much of their time.

Unfortunately, it's not that these "elitist jerks" aren't willing to help. Most people are willing to help. But you can only have somebody spit in your face so many times when you offer to help them that you just stop giving a @#$% and let them fail on their own.

You wouldn't believe how many times very basic advice (such as telling a DRG they should use heavy thrust, or that a BRD should use their DoTs) only to get the "DON'T TELL ME HOW 2 PLEY" or "IT WURKS 4 ME" responses. Don't stand in the fire! "HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO?! DO YOU PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION? REPORTED FOR HARASSMENT".

This complete strawman BS. Provided you are NOT trying to cuss at them when teaching them, most people will appreciate helpful suggestions, and not report harassment in response. But if you are forcing them to speed run with your veiled advice then you are harassing them and you are telling them how to play without negotiating with them as to how they would like to play.