How often do people actually clear Titan Extreme?

[Noahlimits]

And levi EX.... wtf earth are you living on. Levi EX is tight. TIGHT. If you lose 1 dps, you're screwed, histera is going to blow up a group, unless they are very veteran. And if you have 1 death , just one they are going to slide over the boat, and you're calling wipe, period. Only time you can go 7/8 in Levi is when he's on 10%, and you bum rush him.

I 100% disagree. If your dps is good, you can lose 1-2 people non tank people mid fight and still be okay on levia ex.

[Zaels]

And levi EX.... wtf earth are you living on. Levi EX is tight. TIGHT. If you lose 1 dps, you're screwed, histera is going to blow up a group, unless they are very veteran. And if you have 1 death , just one they are going to slide over the boat, and you're calling wipe, period. Only time you can go 7/8 in Levi is when he's on 10%, and you bum rush him.

Nope. This is PF with complete strangers too. DPS fell off before second set of gyre spumes.

[Crater]

And levi EX.... wtf earth are you living on. Levi EX is tight. TIGHT. If you lose 1 dps, you're screwed, histera is going to blow up a group, unless they are very veteran. And if you have 1 death , just one they are going to slide over the boat, and you're calling wipe, period. Only time you can go 7/8 in Levi is when he's on 10%, and you bum rush him.

This is not true. I've been in groups that have lost two DPS before hitting the switch for the second time, that have still managed to squeak by. I've also been in groups that have lost the WHM or lost the SCH before that point, and have continued on to win. Even losing a tank doesn't mean you're doomed, although it does mean that you need to kill him very very quickly from that point on. And this was in the first week of 2.2; hardly time for the group to be made up of 'veterans'.

Raises are also very possible, as long as the person doesn't die to the spinning dive immediately preceding a body slam; as long as the person accepts a raise and fades to black before they actually fall off the edge (ie: You can accept it while you're already sliding, as long as you've got about half the raft to slide down), they'll spawn back in no problem.


I don't have much trouble with Titan either, obviously, but the DPS checks and the 'this is a really bad time to be dead' moments are far more frequent in Titan than they are during Leviathan, even if individual checks aren't as severe. And on top of that, in Titan there are several mechanics where a careless player can actively sabotage the efforts of the rest of the party, whereas in Leviathan, if you, personally, can deal with a mechanic, then nobody can really mess that up for you (eg: Someone improperly baiting a 5-way Landslide can make life extremely difficult for the entire rest of the party, whereas nothing can really stop you from getting to the other side of the raft for Body Slam if you know how to get there, and Leviathan has nothing like the Gaols where you are absolutely dependent on the rest of your party to save you).
There's definitely a case to be made that Leviathan is more forgiving than Titan.

[Traek]

Just because you have a group of extremely skilled and overgeared players doesn't make Titan "easy".

Skilled might be one thing, but I've 1 shot it in PF groups in 2.1 many times. As I said before, there is reasons for the 'skilled' players to have moved on since then and it'd be a different climate now. That doesn't make Titan EX hard, it just means the people who aren't bad have probably moved on, making the fight seem harder then it is. As far as gear, I cleared all 3 EX primals on my Alt MNK in i72 gear and still pulled top DPS in every single one, and didn't die (PF clear group back when weekly clears were a thing). So while gear helps, again people are underestimating what they can achieve with practice and 'skill'. As much as you'd like to paint me as an elitist, I'm more then happy to offer advice to anyone asking for specific advice on a class. Just whining and saying 'its too hard nerf noawwww!' doesn't garner much sympathy however.

I've gotten smacked through the middle by leviathan's dive (since the middle ones still throw me off sometimes) and I've survived the rest of the fight after getting raised.
Our tank got smacked to his doom, slide off and ended right on the edge of the platform. Got raised, no problem.

So no you're hilariously wrong.

I went back and read what you were responding to. I misread your intentions in the context. You are right people can die and get res without much issue. I've also seen many a fair share of people slide off do to swiftcast being down, overall timing, or multiple deaths. I think Mei is definitely exaggerating on the point of *one death* = slide off and doom. It is actually usually a death leading to a death, (raise before dash, or raise into p2 wave crash) that causes swift casts to be down, and no raise in time for slam. So sorry, I think we are in agreement here. I will say in static groups its less of an issue, but in PF groups (most likely what Mei is talking about) it is very true that death will result in a downward spiral wipe.

And beating a superbomb with 2 DPS from start to finish? lol pics or it didn't happen or you must all be sporting level 100 atmus weapons and all 100+ gear.

I guarantee you it is possible with i80 gear even. Last night the members were i90-i92 though, yes. I really don't need pics, it should be more then obvious, and there are others who can corroborate this happening in other groups. Also keep in mind both tanks switch to the Superbomb, as there is no need to hit Titan at that point, and he doesn't cleave anyone. I like saving Unchained + Berserk + Internal release for this when I go WAR, and it is pretty huge burst.

For the average person clearing titan ex in an average DF/PF group they will be between ilvl 80-90 and I can certainly tell you 2 dps is not enough to get past superbombs.

The average person is bad. This is what I've been saying, as I point to my tank out DPSing many PF DD. Again, instead of blaming others, perhaps they should better themselves. Just because someone can't realize Plumes *almost always* come directly after stomps (hint this means you move soon), doesn't mean it is *hard*. The same can be said for landslides. Heck if you have trouble with patterns, print out the rotation sheet and tape it to the side of your monitor till you get it.

P.S. If titan ex was SOOOO easy, this thread wouldn't be 8 pages long of people crying that they can't clear it.

People cry about anything. There is another thread on BG downing T9 in a month that is longer then this. Does that mean SE should make it harder now? Just cause Titan EX isn't handed on a silver platter, doesn't make it too hard.

[Jinko]

Perhaps it's easier for me because I identify with patterns, but I used to clear all 3 Ex through DF every week before 2.2. I stopped doing it cause I figured it would be easier to get Leviathan weapons instead, but I keep losing rolls.

I don't know how to give advise for people who don't normally see patterns in things, but when you've done it enough, you start instinctively knowing when to move and where to move to.

Seeing patterns doesn't mean anything if lag and latency are effecting the timings of the graphical cues and the actual attacks, people still don't seem to understand that a large portion are suffering due to SE's stupid decision to only have 2 datacentres for the whole world. (nice if you live close to one of them though)

[Versiroth]

I am not sure why people are arguing with Mei Mei.. he is right.. Titan EX is incredibly scripted and easy. Just yesterday we killed the superbomb with 2 DPS and a tank down. So umm.. ya you can do it with 6. We also carried a DPS all the way through that was knocked off since the first Landslide. Losing a DPS (and often 2) is not a big deal, sorry to burst bubbles.

Translation: "I've got this awesome static that knows this fight inside and out and it's extremely easy!"


How about this. How about you and Mei join a random PF group and then come back and tell us all how "incredibly easy" it is. And it doesn't matter if you personally don't get hit at all or if you die last. If you aren't able to carry the other 7 members through the fight and get a win, then you're a bad and you need to better yourself.

[Firetta]

The frustrating thing for me with Titan EX is that I can clear the first two phases no problem. Heart can get a bit hectic and I bet I'm not executing perfectly there. But I have very little experience post-heart, because DF just can't get me there. I'm sure I can learn it, but I usually get a couple of minutes post-heart practice if I'm lucky before we run out of time or someone rage quits because "it's so easy, why do you all suck?"

[Lemon8or]

How about this. How about you and Mei join a random PF group and then come back and tell us all how "incredibly easy" it is.

You know that's not how you should beat Titan.
Step 1: Get to know people that are good at dodging from the random PF group
Step 2: Wait till they're on or most of them are.
Step 3: Make your own party.
Step 4: Beat Titan.
This is if you don't know people already. Getting to know other people is part of the reason I can push new contents.

[Versiroth]

You know that's not how you should beat Titan.
Step 1: Get to know people that are good at dodging from the random PF group
Step 2: Wait till they're on or most of them are.
Step 3: Make your own party.
Step 4: Beat Titan.
This is if you don't know people already. Getting to know other people is part of the reason I can push new contents.

But what if I enjoy torturing myself? Seriously though, Not a bad suggestion, thanks.

[Traek]

Translation: "I've got this awesome static that knows this fight inside and out and it's extremely easy!"


How about this. How about you and Mei join a random PF group and then come back and tell us all how "incredibly easy" it is. And it doesn't matter if you personally don't get hit at all or if you die last. If you aren't able to carry the other 7 members through the fight and get a win, then you're a bad and you need to better yourself.

If you read what I have wrote, you'd see I've joined random PF groups and 1 shot the fight. I've also joined random farm groups that 1 shot it multiple times. I have also joined some that were terrible. This doesn't mean the fight is suddenly 'hard' because people can't grasp simple mechanics. My wife who has never played an MMO before FFXIV thinks Titan EX is easy and fun to heal.

The funny thing is, when Titan EX came out, I was in a FC/static that couldn't even down it. I got my wins and my first 5 primal weapons (on top of earrings farmed) before we could get them all the win. I am in a static now that can carry people through, yes. That doesn't mean you can't get the win.

Also, if you read what I wrote, I mentioned a solution to get your win. Make a 3 strikes party and enforce it.