Anyone knows the peak point of having Crit for SCH?

[Airikay]

It doesn't make a tangible difference in most battles, but it does add up. It's more often crit from succor is where its at. You are almost always get a crit casting succor on the team somewhere.

It probably has to do with sch's crappy heal potency. Going higher in 2 mdmg(the highest teir stat mages can have) gave my sch all of.... 40hp in aqu power and maybe 15hp in succor... basically crap....might as well go crit in such a bad multiplier.

>_> you realize WHM is the same right? Its about 20 points a weapon damage. And its not like many sch books have crit anyways.

[kukurumei]

>_> you realize WHM is the same right? Its about 20 points a weapon damage. And its not like many sch books have crit anyways.

WHM have Divine Seal, and cure II, as well as medica1/2 and cure III.

Sch's have so little potency multiplier, except eos, there just isn't much equipment can do in terms of raw output.

[NintenPyjak64]

WHM have Divine Seal, and cure II, as well as medica1/2 and cure III.

Sch's have so little potency multiplier, except eos, there just isn't much equipment can do in terms of raw output.

You really do have to take Eos/Selene into account. They make up for SCH's lower potency.
Plus SCH wasn't built to be a burst healer like WHM is. If they were, they'd be a WHM with a fairy, then nobody would take WHM to content. I think the devs did a great job balancing the 2 jobs without public testing. It's all about mitigating damage (boosting eHP in other words)

[kukurumei]

You really do have to take Eos/Selene into account. They make up for SCH's lower potency.
Plus SCH wasn't built to be a burst healer like WHM is. If they were, they'd be a WHM with a fairy, then nobody would take WHM to content. I think the devs did a great job balancing the 2 jobs without public testing. It's all about mitigating damage (boosting eHP in other words)

Eos matters even less since whatever increase the sch has eos has a fraction of that stat. So if a minor bump in sch, is a trival bump in eos.

It's just that in terms of stat choosing, very little can affect a sch like crit where a whm having more mnd and det directl translates into some more substance, because their have bigger multipliers.

[Airikay]

Eos matters even less since whatever increase the sch has eos has a fraction of that stat. So if a minor bump in sch, is a trival bump in eos.

It's just that in terms of stat choosing, very little can affect a sch like crit where a whm having more mnd and det directl translates into some more substance, because their have bigger multipliers.

Uh...lol. EoS has same base stats except her heal has lower potency. But combined with your psy its about sane potency as cure 2. Also, while WHM has divine seal, SCH has rouse and the fairy aoe and the fairy spell that also increases healing. There really isn't bigger multiplier on WHM. Its same. Main difference starts at lower base stats on SCH.

[kukurumei]

Uh...lol. EoS has same base stats except her heal has lower potency. But combined with your psy its about sane potency as cure 2. Also, while WHM has divine seal, SCH has rouse and the fairy aoe and the fairy spell that also increases healing. There really isn't bigger multiplier on WHM. Its same. Main difference starts at lower base stats on SCH.

That's not really how a sch is played. Even if a sch somehow combines their fairy into one cure dump, which no one wants to bring a sch in for, the fairy action is delayed by upto 5 seconds, not including the rouse that takes an extra action. If are claiming the fairy can heal like a whm, that's laughable.

Next time why don't you tell the sch to precast a "cure2" They're be lucky to get iti the heal in before the phase is even over.

In fact rarely would a sch rouse be very long because rouse + wispers already take up half the rouse time.

there's a reason why sch's are sch's and whms are whms. I'm not going to even attempt to heal a 3k phase, unlike a whm that can do it in their sleep.

any stat on a sch is going to translate into crap of crap multiplier it won't matter at all in a real fight. That's why sch's love crit.

[ZeratoTyrael]

That's not really how a sch is played. Even if a sch somehow combines their fairy into one cure dump, which no one wants to bring a sch in for, the fairy action is delayed by upto 5 seconds, not including the rouse that takes an extra action. If are claiming the fairy can heal like a whm, that's laughable.

Next time why don't you tell the sch to precast a "cure2" They're be lucky to get iti the heal in before the phase is even over.

In fact rarely would a sch rouse be very long because rouse + wispers already take up half the rouse time.

there's a reason why sch's are sch's and whms are whms. I'm not going to even attempt to heal a 3k phase, unlike a whm that can do it in their sleep.

any stat on a sch is going to translate into crap of crap multiplier it won't matter at all in a real fight. That's why sch's love crit.

I'm sorry I can't believe you just said that. Um any decent SCH has a macro made to do Physick/Adloquium + Embrace, they may not press that macro every single time they cast a heal(its situational like everything else), but more often than not a good SCH has that macro setup. I doubt anyone is claiming the Fairy "can heal like a whm". Not to mention you're grossly overexaggerating the pet command delay. The real argument towards your "claims" is that the fairy is far from trivial. Stop trying to claim whm superiority when you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. The evidence is in your posts, not even with the inclusion of my opinion. This isn't a competition. WHM and SCH were designed to work together and they do so FLAWLESSLY. SCH loves crit not because other stats suck, but because they gain so much benefit out of it. Bigger shields = more damage prevented = less reactive healing needed. SCH doesn't need anyone to tell them to precast any spell....if they know a big hit is coming Adloquium is probably already on the tank waiting for the hit to come. Same with Succor for the group as a whole.

In fact they're much like WAR and PLD are now with a grey area of MT/OT. Neither SCH nor WHM is the clear Main/off healer, to say otherwise would be saying you're uneducated on how this game currently works.

Whether you're being serious or using some serious hyperbole, either way....I honestly feel trolled.

[Manuka]

...any stat on a sch is going to translate into crap of crap multiplier it won't matter at all in a real fight. That's why sch's love crit.

It has nothing to do with potency, the reason SCH's stack crit is for them sweet sweet Adlo crits. Actually stacking crit makes our average heals weaker by like 30-50 HP overall compared to a Det based build. But because Adlo crits double the shield strength, fairy's not only crit but get a passive SS buff when they do and due to the way galvanize works in general, sacrificing cure potency for crit is more desirable. Like when a WHM crits 80% of it overheals and needlessly bumps enmity, but when a SCH crits 50% of it is guaranteed mitigation so significantly less waste.

[ItzKris]

That's not really how a sch is played. Even if a sch somehow combines their fairy into one cure dump, which no one wants to bring a sch in for, the fairy action is delayed by upto 5 seconds

I'm only 38 on my Scholar and I know this is very false.
The macro for it is
/macroicon "Adloquium"
/ac Adloquium <t>
/pac "Embrace" <t>

And replace Adloquium for Physick when using Physick
Its amazing for burst heals.
And there is no delay unless you are on the move, but then its only delayed until the fairy gets to you. If she was placed then she will cast embrace just when you cast Physick or slightly slower.

[Crater]

Uh...lol. EoS has same base stats except her heal has lower potency.

This isn't entirely true. It's close, but if you look at HP-healed-per-point-of-potency on a SCH compared to her fairy, Eos and Selene will clock in somewhere in the 85-90% range. In other words, Embrace healing for 300 potency is roughly equivalent to the Scholar healing for 250-270 potency.

Having said that...

That's not really how a sch is played. Even if a sch somehow combines their fairy into one cure dump, which no one wants to bring a sch in for, the fairy action is delayed by upto 5 seconds, not including the rouse that takes an extra action. If are claiming the fairy can heal like a whm, that's laughable.

Next time why don't you tell the sch to precast a "cure2" They're be lucky to get iti the heal in before the phase is even over.

In fact rarely would a sch rouse be very long because rouse + wispers already take up half the rouse time.

there's a reason why sch's are sch's and whms are whms. I'm not going to even attempt to heal a 3k phase, unlike a whm that can do it in their sleep.

any stat on a sch is going to translate into crap of crap multiplier it won't matter at all in a real fight. That's why sch's love crit.

This is nuts. The fairy's actions are not "delayed", unless the fairy is moving or already performing an action - and if the fairy is performing another action, the absolute maximum delay before she begins casting her spell is 3 seconds, which only happens if you get the absolute worst timing possible and the fairy has just begun casting another Embrace when you order your own.
And if everybody but the tank has been topped off already and the fairy is casting Embrace, then she's probably casting Embrace on the tank to begin with, meaning that your timing is going to line up perfectly anyway.

Rouse is also not an 'extra action' for the fairy. Rouse is an off-GCD ability that it used by the Scholar. You can easily test this, by the way: Order your fairy to cast Embrace, and hit the button for Rouse immediately afterward. The fairy will continue casting Embrace, without being interrupted, she will receive the effect of Rouse while Embrace is being cast, and the effects of Rouse will actually be applied to that Embrace. If you use Rouse while Eos is casting Whispering Dawn, WD will receive the buff, and she'll have time for five Embraces before Rouse expires.


In the 90% of cases where the ordered Embrace and the Scholar's own heal land at the same time (and the 98% of cases where any delay on the fairy's Embrace is small enough that it won't matter in the slightest), then the fairy's added healing is going to be roughly equivalent to a 250 potency heal added to the Scholar's - 250 is lowballing it, but we're lowballing a Scholar's effectiveness here for the sake of argument.
- Using Physick, that's 650 potency (400 Physick, 250 Embrace), which is exactly equivalent to a White Mage using Cure II without Divine Seal.
- Using Adloquium, that's 850 potency (300 direct healing from Adloquium, 250 from Embrace, and a 300 potency heal from Galvanize that cannot overheal, unless it overwrites or is overwritten by another Galvanize). That's slightly better than a White Mage using Cure II with Divine Seal (650 potency * 1.3x multiplier from Divine Seal = 845 potency), although in practice it will usually heal for slightly less, because the White Mage is going to have a slightly stronger HP-healed-per-point-of-potency due to stacking Determination instead of Crit.
- Using Adloquium and Rouse - Which is only fair, as Rouse has the same duration and cooldown as Divine Seal - that's going to bump the potency up by 100 due to the 40% bonus on Embrace, giving the Scholar's heal 950 total potency to the White Mage's 845 - easily enough to trump the slightly (usually ~5-8%) higher HP-healed-per-point-of-potency that a White Mage usually has by stacking Determination.
- If Adloquium and Cure II happen to crit while Divine Seal and Rouse are up, the White Mage is going to be healing for an equivalent of 1267.5 potency - 650 * 1.3x Divine Seal * 1.5x Critical. The Scholar, on the other hand is going to be healing for an equivalent of 1700 potency - 900 of which can heal the target above their maximum HP (450 direct heal from Adlo, 900 from Galvanize, 350 from Embrace).

These comparisons, by the way, are seriously slanted in favour of the White Mage over the Scholar, because we're considering the White Mage's signature healing booster, Divine Seal, but we're not taking into account the Scholar's actual answer to Divine Seal: Lustrate. Assuming we're talking about healing a tank, and the tank and healers are equally geared, Lustrate is usually about on par with a non-crit, non-DS Cure II - only it's an instant-cast, off-GCD ability, meaning that it can land at essentially the same time as Physick or Adloquium. Once you factor Lustrate in, a Scholar's single-target burst healing power is anywhere from 1.5 to 2x that of a White Mage, and a significant portion of that healing is immune to overhealing, especially in the case of a Crit. That is why Scholars stack Crit.

Scholars are not 'woe is me' assistant healers that are just there to take care of the little things that a White Mage can't be bothered to do, who just stack Crit because none of it matters, and their heals are always gonna suck, etc etc, weep moan cry. Scholars are flat-out, indisputably superior single-target healers, the way that White Mages are flat-out, indisputably superior AoE/group healers. They work as a team, but if the Scholar isn't taking charge of that team when it's time to focus heal a single tank, then they're doing it wrong, period.