Coil T1 with Duty Finder

[i2agnarok]

Everyone is i90 or better. We get into T4 and everything falls apart before P3.

Wut?
Even with brand new tanks, I've been at least able to get to P3 in T4 before things go south.
Is DPS just slow, tanks don't know where stuff spawns, or what do you think the problem is?
I can't think of stuff going wrong before P3 other than that.

Sorry to derail you, OT.
I do think your best interest is to at least PF the silences (at least 1) before queuing to DF the rest, though.

[reckless76]

Wut?
Even with brand new tanks, I've been at least able to get to P3 in T4 before things go south.
Is DPS just slow, tanks don't know where stuff spawns, or what do you think the problem is?
I can't think of stuff going wrong before P3 other than that.

The problem has been laughably slow dps. Like when the first dread spawns, we still have one knight and one soldier at half health each. Or on Garuda Ex, we get two rounds of plumes before sisters spawn, and most of the time, plumes are exploding. It's been quite unreal. And I check the gear on DPS. i85 at least. And no - no one is dead. Except occasionally when plumes explode.

[i2agnarok]

The problem has been laughably slow dps. Like when the first dread spawns, we still have one knight and one soldier at half health each.

That's amazing. O_o
Even when I accidentally stumbled into a learning party that had all physical DPS, we never managed to have a knight/soldier at HALF health.
Hell, even having someone die because of a bad pull hasn't put us in THAT bad of a position.
Especially with Echo.
I have no idea what to tell you, my man.

I'm guessing you got people that Fate-leveled, don't know their classes, and are severely gimping their DPS.
And that's the tip of the iceburg.
You're probably going to need to do some party finder hunting and befriend the ones that have an inkling of what they're doing.

Theoretically, even if each DPS all targeted a completely different target, I can't even imagine it being that bad unless everyone's attacking the wrong type of enemy (phys on soldier, mag on knight) with classes with bad burst capability.....

[whiskeybravo]

The problem has been laughably slow dps. Like when the first dread spawns, we still have one knight and one soldier at half health each. Or on Garuda Ex, we get two rounds of plumes before sisters spawn, and most of the time, plumes are exploding. It's been quite unreal. And I check the gear on DPS. i85 at least. And no - no one is dead. Except occasionally when plumes explode.

That's definitely a skill issue.. Proper rotations at i85 should maul everything in first coil and extremes. :/

[Estellios]

T4 was never even that big a deal with all physical DPS in the first place since all that damage can easily break Solider stoneskin and stun them taking a ton of pressure off the tank. In fact my FC preferred having physical DPS attack soldiers because of that.

Now all mages on the other hand... might be a bit rough until that reflect effect completely goes away but I believe it's not as bad as it used to be.

[i2agnarok]

T4 was never even that big a deal with all physical DPS in the first place since all that damage can easily break Solider stoneskin and stun them taking a ton of pressure off the tank.

Well, you have to factor in the people and composition you get from DF.
Factor in randoms with sub-optimal rotations and it slows down DPS significantly.
Especially if they're just meeting the ilvl requirements or inflating them with other equips.

On that note about the Stoneskin, you're right about that, for sure.
I thought it was weird that there just weren't different stoneskins for each type.
But hey, there's like a million BLMs running around now, so I guess it prevents all BLM parties in PF or something.
*shrug*