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    Indira Cliodhna
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    most of the time its the DPS attacking before the tank can do anything, just makes the tank & healer's job harder.
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    Methos Ranperre
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    Quote Originally Posted by indira View Post
    most of the time its the DPS attacking before the tank can do anything, just makes the tank & healer's job harder.
    I always wait as every tank is different as far as pulls and grouping. The 2 issues I run into and this is not all Tanks mind you, only a few. Tank pulls more than they can chew or can't hold hate or both together. I do see more DPS going overboard before an established pull/group is even in place.
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    Jinko Jinko
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    Quote Originally Posted by indira View Post
    most of the time its the DPS attacking before the tank can do anything, just makes the tank & healer's job harder.
    The new HM dungeons must be a wake up call for new tanks, having DPS AoE the crap out of everything without any time to build hate.

    DPS deserve to die though if they are attacking the wrong targets or just spamming AoE's.
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    The new HM dungeons must be a wake up call for new tanks, having DPS AoE the crap out of everything without any time to build hate.

    DPS deserve to die though if they are attacking the wrong targets or just spamming AoE's.
    If this is brayflox hm I'm sure groups really like that and don't just leave and kick you to find a tank that actually knows how to hold aoe threat and let's dps maximise their potential. I play both a dps and pld tank so I don't buy the excuses and have simply reformed groups with me as tank when people struggle to do the following.

    Pop FoF. Flash. CoS. Keep flashing. Lost threat and weren't out of mana? Flash more. Weave CDs in as they also generate threat. Start cycling targets with your absurd threat lead.

    It's so hard, you do it in fates. Enmity management difficulty in this game is a joke.
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    Joanna Selenia
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser View Post
    If this is brayflox hm I'm sure groups really like that and don't just leave and kick you to find a tank that actually knows how to hold aoe threat and let's dps maximise their potential. I play both a dps and pld tank so I don't buy the excuses and have simply reformed groups with me as tank when people struggle to do the following.

    Pop FoF. Flash. CoS. Keep flashing. Lost threat and weren't out of mana? Flash more. Weave CDs in as they also generate threat. Start cycling targets with your absurd threat lead.

    It's so hard, you do it in fates. Enmity management difficulty in this game is a joke.
    Agree with this. Many players think that a tank's job is just staying alive and holding threat but what separates a good tank from a great one is doing both and also allowing the dps to go nuts from the get go
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser View Post
    If this is brayflox hm

    Pop FoF. Flash. CoS. Keep flashing. Lost threat and weren't out of mana? Flash more. Weave CDs in as they also generate threat. Start cycling targets with your absurd threat lead.
    I don't use FoF there, IMO it's wasted because you will be spamming flash like hell. For me I use bloodbath then CoS, due to the amount of mobs for brayflox first pull, I would recover a few hundred HP just because of that

    If ran out of MP PLD should start using their riot blade to recover MP and flash again. Some PLDs just don't and whine to the BRD for mage ballad which is like... WAT.
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    Jinko Jinko
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser View Post
    If this is brayflox hm I'm sure groups really like that and don't just leave and kick you to find a tank that actually knows how to hold aoe threat and let's dps maximise their potential. I play both a dps and pld tank so I don't buy the excuses and have simply reformed groups with me as tank when people struggle to do the following.

    Pop FoF. Flash. CoS. Keep flashing. Lost threat and weren't out of mana? Flash more. Weave CDs in as they also generate threat. Start cycling targets with your absurd threat lead.

    It's so hard, you do it in fates. Enmity management difficulty in this game is a joke.
    I'm not sure what you post is saying, you say "really like that", but it doesn't make sense, why would any group enjoy their tank losing hate ?
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    Last edited by Jinko; 04-15-2014 at 09:33 PM.