If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

[PlanckZero]

no because it's the same thing if you're not using your character they should delete it like the houses because obviously you don't need it.

that's the whole point you say they are different because they use different resources but that point isn't resources it's the fact they are taking something away that shouldn't be taken away.

NO. They are NOT the same thing. If I create enough accounts and go out and create 500 new characters on a single server there is absolutely nothing stopping me (assuming it's not a high population server etc). If I want to create 500 Free Companies with each of those characters there is nothing stopping me. If I want every single one of those free companies to have a house there damn well is something stopping me since there is a finite number of plots available.

You keep bringing up "resources" as an excuse people are using as to why these plots need to be cleared. We're not simply talking about server resources here, you have to take into account the "physical" resources of actual plots available. Sure Se could add in more wards and more plots but where does that end? When the current wards fill up they add on 5 more? And then 5 more after that? And then 5 more after that?

When you abandon a character for months at a time that character is not taking up "physical" resources. There is no effect on the greater game/community because your character is sitting idle in a server somewhere. However when a house is left idle there are repercussions and the more abandoned houses you have the more it adds up.

[Tandy]

I don't. I don't think SE's PR team is so bad that they'll post only the bad part of their idea without mentioning any of the good.

It wasnt the PR team that did it though, it was one random dev posting in a thread. No announcement, no fanfare - no nothing. One dev post doesnt make a fail PR team since those are different teams entirely.

Since you didn't express any opposition to the voucher idea, I assume you also think it would be a good thing? Glad we could come to an agreement and I appreciate your support, good sir. = )

Absolutely. I have -0- problems with them giving a reimbursement for the housing. I have a feeling they already have that planned too.

[Musashidon]

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so whats the difference if se has 50 wards of active fc's or 5 wards of inactives? obviously those 5 wards are nothing compared to the 50 but it's a problem?

you are saying in a possible future situation there can be lots of inactive fc houses and they will cause issues, if se can handle a ton of houses being used they can handle a small amount of houses being not used.

in the end all you make this about is resources

[Miburo]

PlanckZero, you're both talking about different things. He's not talking about server resources in what you quoted. He's comparing them both as removing things from players. That's how analogies work. You can compare apples and oranges. They're both fruits. They're not both orange. He's comparing the fruit part. Not the orange part. And he's right about the fruit part. There isn't a reason to just demolish everything the FC worked to get. They can give a land deed and building permit voucher to the FC leader so that the FC doesn't lose everything, while still accomplishing the 'freeing up housing plots' thing. He's right in that regard.

@Tandy-The dev posts here fall under public relatio... never mind. Doesn't matter. You do like the arguing, don't you? No worries, I don't hate it either, I guess. = p

Thanks for supporting the cause.

[Tandy]

@Tandy-The dev posts here fall under public relatio... never mind. Doesn't matter. You do like the arguing, don't you? No worries, I don't hate it either, I guess. = p

Thanks for supporting the cause.

Actually I tend to dislike it, I just get motivated by people being overly dramatic lol. To me, and the way I mean it is a PR team would be the ones behind the Patch notes, Blog posts and general announcements. A dev who is working on something posting about what is being worked on doesn't generally require the vetting a full on PR team would give, although this situation might change that and we are likely to see vastly fewer posts now.

Everything that doesn't concern the 35 days limit, which I concede is probably too short....is all conjecture. All of it, all the fighting and drama has been caused by people taking one kernel of information and going to what they "think" it might mean....absent of official word.

[Miburo]

Actually I tend to dislike it, I just get motivated by people being overly dramatic lol. To me, and the way I mean it is a PR team would be the ones behind the Patch notes, Blog posts and general announcements. A dev who is working on something posting about what is being worked on doesn't generally require the vetting a full on PR team would give, although this situation might change that and we are likely to see vastly fewer posts now.

Everything that doesn't concern the 35 days limit, which I concede is probably too short....is all conjecture. All of it, all the fighting and drama has been caused by people taking one kernel of information and going to what they "think" it might mean....absent of official word.

Well, considering Yoshi-P mentions having PR guys sitting in during his live letters, I assume SE has it's stuff together enough to have someone keeping tabs on the dev forum posts, at least. Could be wrong though. I doubt they'd stop posting as much, since it benefits the company to keep communication up with the players. And it's not the first time people have gotten upset about stuff that's been posted on here. More likely is that they'll just clarify things if you're right about them not telling the entire plan. Which would be great and is a good thing.

And it's not like it's purely irrational panic or anything even close. This wouldn't be SE's first blunder if you're wrong about the additional information being withheld thing. And again, it doesn't hurt to play it safe and give feedback now while we have the best chance of having things changed. It'd actually be kind of stupid to wait, if anything. You must have seen all the posts about "Oh yeah, we're going get that fixed during 2.3 update" on here. The sooner they get working on something, the better. Haha.

[Arkista]

I just found this while I was looking for something else.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry-(10-30-2013)

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?

A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

They wont have anything like that really now! So why now are they adding some old MMO system to the game?

[Naunet]

How do you know they are NOT going to do that?

We don't know, but SE has not demonstrated much in the way of forward thinking skill. It doesn't hurt to make our voices and thoughts known. Plant seeds that may not have yet been planted in SE minds. Nurture them until they grow into a reality.

@the person below me: The in-game world isn't real life. We don't have to abide by those stressful rules.

[TheCurls]

Consider this: You are moving. You pack up your belongings and store them in a storage facility. You pay them $50 a month to hold onto your things. What happens if you stop paying them that $50 a month? What happens if you show up later and demand your things back? Do you honestly believe they'll say "Oh, yes. We kept your things in this stall while you didn't pay us. After all, we can't take it from you because it's yours."

Bottom line, if you want to keep your house, use it. If you don't want to play this game and are moving on to other games, then you shouldn't care enough about a house here to begin with. If you expect SE to keep your house in the game (where it is part of the module itself and taking up server space that actual active players would use) while you stop paying your subscription, you're delusional and don't understand basic economics.

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Edit: @the person above me:
So we're now ignoring logic for the sake of complaining about a toy being taken away? You didn't even contribute to your house anyway, so I don't know why you're complaining so vocally. Well, I do know why, but it's not polite for this forum.

[Miburo]

I just found this while I was looking for something else.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry-(10-30-2013)

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?

A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

They wont have anything like that really now! So why now are they adding some old MMO system to the game?

Wow, that's an AWESOME find. Should add this to the OP. This was the FC housing update, and was discussing FC housing too. Well done.

@Below-Such a terrible argument, since it's in response to a moral argument. Yes, they can technically do whatever, legality wise. No one said otherwise. Morally it's crappy to just do whatever you want without regard to others, even if you are allowed to do so.