First Coil of Bahamut in Duty Finder and Echo buff?

[Huntington]

You had taken the wrong idea on anything.

When using DF, the "good run" is just luck, you have to expect average or less runs. Especially on DF raids, because it is more for people who wants see the content and start learning the fight, and this is welcome, because nowadays almost all PF groups wants "exp" players, and actually unless you have a FC that can afford get a newb there (and there aren't so much...), you will never get into them.

Whoever wants (almost) assured smooth run, he must use PF.

Then, another wrong thing you have taken: you cannot kick people joined on DF because they don't perform well. It is an offense and your account may get consequences. If you done that and still not suspended, you need feel lucky that people haven't reported you.

I've never tried to kick people because they were terribly executing their chosen job, but I won't lie and say there haven't been times that I've desperately wanted to.
Am I expected to keep chugging on with DPS that makes a dungeon take till there's ten minutes left in the run? Or a healer that consistently lets the Tank die? Or a Tank that cant hold enmity against a sneeze? I'm just supposed to bite the bullet instead of asking someone to leave or abandon if they can't do anything?

They're wasting massive amounts of other people's time by then, and I'm just supposed to keep coaching and talking us through something no matter how many times **** keeps hitting the fan?

I don't really care by this point to be honest, the Duty Finder crowd is already bad enough, I don't have to take twenty years to do something if I don't want to, most times I'll ask for someone to kick me, if it's really bad I'll just eat the penalty. But nowhere in this game does it say I have to keep trying with bad kids in dungeons. And since most Duty Finder crowds [B]would[B] kick someone if they took off the Echo buff because they didn't want it, then how does anyone do their Roulettes? I've tried three times myself and accomplished nothing in several tries today, the same will apply in Coil and a lot of other things because people don't have time to somehow be cognitively aware of every Free Company with trusted and capable people, it's easy enough to continue repeating that you should find a static group, but how many people manage to find one where someone wants to do something that they do?

You also misread my post, I never said that I would kick someone if they took off the Echo buff, I sure as hell know that it would probably be done to me though if I was in related content for it.

This brings me into my next tangent, people want more DPS where it matters so the content gets finished faster, if there's Echo buff in DF and PF(and correct me now if there isn't), then it's going to present all the time anyways? How can I say to someone "hey, I want to try and enjoy this content so I'm going to turn off the Echo buff okay?" One of a few things will happen:
1. I get kicked immediately for a reason I never learn of but know is crap.
2. Someone begins insulting me after that and says I should keep it on or GTFO.
3. I'm met with silence and the party is resenting me because I don't want everything made stupidly easy.

Everyone wines and dines about "not enugh DPS" all day every day, but now we're literally forced into the trend of having that buff present in EM fights and Coil phase 1, so how do we get away from all of those people who are going to cry that someone wants to play differently?
The answer is you don't, because then I'd be a hypocrite that's making the game harder because I want to play without it. So then I'm the ass in the party and I can't enjoy this content just because I don't get every gear drop that I want 24/7 like everyone else seems to be capable of.

There's no winning situation unless you're touched by Hydaleyn and have enough people willing to do all of this all the time willingly. Which gives us a very small margin of success at the end of it, and I of course pulled that speculative number out of my rear because everyone else I run across already does, how am I going to beat them if I don't join them?

[kukurumei]

Actually the echo helps FCS a lot even without df. Much easier to train people when you have an echo. Because little thing aren't suicidal anymore. Not to mention finding 8 people on proper jobs is harder then training.

Before echo you just can't trust certain people (except turn 2 enrage) because they're too new. At least now there's a solution.

[Huntington]

Duty Finder coil is fine. No different to DF ex primals. Good and bad runs.
Instead of making threads, make a bridge. Get over it.

So everyone else has never complained about the repeated lack of good results they might be getting? I'm supposed to collaborate the building of a bridge to make something out of nothing? What do you want me to use as the base for construction? My farts?

[Taruranto]

So everyone else has never complained about the repeated lack of good results they might be getting? I'm supposed to collaborate the building of a bridge to make something out of nothing? What do you want me to use as the base for construction? My farts?

You know the game is not forcing you to use DF, right?

[Huntington]

You know the game is not forcing you to use DF, right?

Oh but it is, how else will I get a great source of EXP, Gil, Myth tomes, and Soldiery tomes if I dont do my once a day Duty Roulette? I have several of them after all. I have to use it then, what's the solution to getting all the tomes I need and all that other stuff in the same amount of time of one dungeon run?

[Merle]

Oh but it is, how else will I get a great source of EXP, Gil, Myth tomes, and Soldiery tomes if I dont do my once a day Duty Roulette? I have several of them after all. I have to use it then, what's the solution to getting all the tomes I need and all that other stuff in the same amount of time of one dungeon run?

He's saying "don't use DF for Coil if you don't want to get bad parties. Use PF instead"

[Garlyle]

He's saying "don't use DF for Coil if you don't want to get bad parties. Use PF instead"

The only catch being that every PF group will be "know it and have done it before or get instant kicked". At least whenever I look on PF.

Given that few of my FC are actually of level/gear to take on Coil (we're a very relaxed FC), I'm glad to be able to queue up solo and at least learn it in a worst case scenario.

[Merle]

I'm glad to be able to queue up solo and at least learn it in a worst case scenario.

Exactly. I've been trying to... try T5 for a few weeks and i had no chance. Since i'm monk it's hard to get a PF who needs a melee, and when i found one is always "FARM PARTY" (yeah, sure), "exp until twister", "we'll check lodestone profile for achievement" (really?), Etc.

"Get your own static". No luck with my zone time (gmt+2 and i play from 5pm to 9pm. Most people plays 10pm+)
"Join a FC who does T5". Been playing with the same casual friends from 1.0 since 3 years ago, i refuse to leave them.
"Make your own PF". Of course i did: 2 hours wasted for ONE TRY and then /ragequit or /leave. just great, guys... how do you want to win this battle if you can't stand one defeat?

At least now i'll have a chance to get a party "faster" and more often than usual.