We need a response from Yoshi about the Atma quest.

[hotroderx]

Working as intended.

I here what your saying but at the same time here is the bottom line. Where all paying customers a lot of those paying customers feel there not getting a service there paying for. Simply put they will move on (me included) if they dont get a resolution about said service. Wanna see what happens when suddenly a game loses players... Take a look at

Starwars the Old Republic
Rift

I was part of both community I heard the it cant happen the games fine then suddenly it wasnt.

This really goes for anyone on the forum saying its fine get over it. Sadly when people get over it and move on you guys will pay the ultimate price in less content and value.
World of Warcraft is the only game that has tons of wiggle room with there customers. That is only because there are so many of them.

[Orophin]

I here what your saying but at the same time here is the bottom line. Where all paying customers a lot of those paying customers feel there not getting a service there paying for. Simply put they will move on (me included) if they dont get a resolution about said service.

So you're saying that this one piece of content out of everything else in the game there is to do (that's eventually going to be made easier anyway) is a driving factor in whether or not you're going to continue playing or not? If this is the last straw then I'd say you were just looking for a reason to quit anyway. What is it with people expecting things to just be handed to them? You think you should just have the best of everything after a week a patch hits?

[Tirabi]

It only gets worse with the 13,500 myth you have to grind for the books and the challenges in the books. 5 hours sitting waiting for 1 fate to pop is NOT online entertainment.

So your answer, more of this crap to come.

[Vesuvias]

So you're saying that this one piece of content out of everything else in the game there is to do (that's eventually going to be made easier anyway) is a driving factor in whether or not you're going to continue playing or not? If this is the last straw then I'd say you were just looking for a reason to quit anyway. What is it with people expecting things to just be handed to them? You think you should just have the best of everything after a week a patch hits?

increasing the drop rate on these isnt handing us jack squat, as all you get for grinding out 12 atmas is a weapon with the same stats as your bloody zenith, so is it really worth defending a flawed system that is going to cost se more customers and your going to watch FFXIV fail AGAIN

[hotroderx]

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Thats a really really weak statement you make... This would be like you going to the grocery store for peanut butter... getting there they have no peanut butter you go back 3 or 4 more times that week still not peanut butter... you ask someone and there answer is we are a grocery store we sell more then peanut butter buy something else. You be very upset you decided you wanted peanut butter ... not grapes not oranges not jelly not cookies not hot dogs. Why should you have deviate your desires because the store does not have the product in stock. Instead you will go to another store who does. That concept can apply here I am not after other content I am after my Relic.

[Elven]

I personally don't mind the second part yeah sure you might have to wait in parts of the quest or even farm an awful lot but it does have a higher achievable rate than just RNG

[jagang]

They weren't talking about the Atma process, they were talking about the ENTIRE Zodiak upgrade system, in this case BOTH Atma and Animus. It's like this BY DESIGN so people don't get their animus within a few hours

Not only that but ever think of the reason beyond getting Atmas as to why you're in these areas grinding FATEs? It's to see the world and interact with newer players, which is also what the low level Duty Roulette was designed for. People not only have been complaining for something time consuming and/or rewarding to do, but also newer players complain about how dead zones are. Atma zones don't look that dead anymore. I remember leveling an alt character pre 2.2 and noticing some FATEs I had to solo, or would lose by timing out with NOBODY else in the area. that seems pretty dead to me

But then again people are going to complain about every little thing. Hell I'm no better, I'm complaining about all the people complaining... Go figure

People aren't interacting with each other, they aren't talking, they are just mindlessly zerging from one fate to another. Fates are wiped out within a minute, you people talk about it gets us to interact with new people, and repopulates the new zones for ps4 players? Yea, sure it does, but do you think anyone is going to actually talk to them? Not likely, also the truly "NEW" players won't have mounts, they won't make it but to maybe 1 out of every 3 to 5 fates because they are having to run on foot.All they are going to see is a bunch of high lvl jerks killing all their quest mobs cause they are bored, and wiping out fates before they can participate ya fun times for all. I've lost count of the amount of hours I've lost to receive 0 atma, I got 1 atma on a fluke while mining a fate popped, I changed jobs and got it from a lvl 12 fate. Progression of a relic shouldn't be based around rng period.

[Polorboy]

I didn't read through all the previous posts, but I agree with a few that I did read. The way that people are grinding for Atma's is not adding anything to the game. It is making a lot of people annoyed, that is all it is accomplishing. There are people in my FC that got all their Atma's in 72 hours or less and there are some that haven't gotten any. I got my first Atma within 3 fates, my second 5 days later. I have gone on everyday and was grinding fates for I don't know how long and still have not gotten a third Atma. I just gave up. I mean the weapon you are getting isn't even the best available, that is the drop from the last coil, just like pre 2.2. I could see that if after all of this grinding that the weapon was "uber" compared to everything else but it isn't even that good. You would have a significantly better odds of getting a drop in turn 9 than getting one Atma, let alone 12. Then on top of that you need 13.5k myth tomes to get the full benefit from your relic weapon. That is just nuts. I could see if this was going to be the end all to be all weapon but we all know it isn't going to be. There are still multiple expansion packs, several level increases, etc. What is going to happen down the road with SE ups the level cap to 99 like in FFXI? Are we going to have to grind fates to get 100's of Atma's and then several million tomes (of what ever kind there is at that point)? If this is what we are going to see in the future as far as getting top gear, it might not be worth the effort. Especially when the difference in stats isn't all that much. For example, I play as Drg as my primary. I really enjoy it, but I don't see an huge benefit to grinding these fates for an item that has a relatively small increase over what I already have at ilvl90.

So
Zenith: Phys Dmg: 46, Delay: 3.12, DPS: 15.33, Strength: 31, Crit: 26, Acc:37

Animus: Phys Dmg: 49, Delay: 3.12, DPS: 16.33, Strength: 37, Acc: 40, Crit: 28

High Allagan: Phys Dmg: 53, Delay: 2.96, DPS: 17.67, Strength: 45, Det: 32, Crit: 32

It is obvious that the High Allagan is significantly better than the Animus, why waste the time for the Animus? It is pretty apparent from what we have seen so far that the Allagan gear is always going to be better than any of the relic gear. Why waste the time for the relic gear?

[Elven]

Just to add to what the last member said I understand the reasons why the devs have made it this way to slow progression for all the elites and maybe bring all the gaming community a little closer and more importantly not have all the new content all finished upon a few days of release. All very good reasons I agree but sadly it doesn't work the elites are somehow still getting through the atma farming and most are through many of their books. The only real way to slow progress is have on a time/cap which you obtain on a weekly basis but I guess people will still find a way to complain but at least with a weekly progression cap everyone has a chance to catch up.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

I personally like this type of "grind" every now and then. with echo, you can get carried into your relic and with myth becoming easy to get you can get your zenith as well. so having this tedious grind helps slow down the relic progression. besides, there are alternative ways to progress your gear than this "grind".

who knows, when the continuation of the quest is released, the atma drops may be increased as well.

p.s. its only been 2 weeks since the patch... no need to rush everything

note to readers: I work a lot and am at 9/12 atmas. I only play ~5-6 hrs a day. 1 spend 1-3 hrs a day after work to attempt to farm them after I do my dailys. Casual Players can do this.