Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Purrfectstorm]

I like the quest and I have no problems with the Atma drop rates. Most people talk about the time they have spent. I prefer to think in terms of the number of fates grinded because let's face it, different people will be faster or slower at getting to and clearing fates. Time wise, it took me about 20 hours. Fate wise, it took me about 400 fates. Perhaps I was just lucky but nevertheless I was pretty happy whenever I saw the Atma message pop and I could move to the next area. I enjoyed that feeling as I enjoyed the feeling I got when I got the upgrade and could start grinding books.

I'm against changing the drop rates of Atma or the amount of Myth dungeons give out or anything like that and here's why:

1) The Zodiac quest is optional. There are equivalent or better weapons elsewhere. The Animus weapon will only be like 3rd best weapon for me. Even though SE plans on adding upgrade quests, I'm sure they will also add other equivalent or better weapons, meaning the Animus weapon serves only 2 purposes: to get one by until they get one of those other weapons or because it looks cool. I don't think people should be so irate about an optional quest. If you don't like something, don't do it. I don't like PvP. I wouldn't get angry if there was a high level PvP item that was the 3rd best for my class...

2) It's a long term goal. Yes, some of us want it NOW, but you could get it before the next patch with a pretty minimal time investment. Basically, this is another thing SE is giving players to do. They don't have to do it and not all parts of it are equal (the book part is way more enjoyable) but it is very preferable to wanting to play FFXIV but then not having anything to do. I like that there's something new to work for.

3) It puts players to the test in a different way. Not how good you are at dodging but how fast you are at rushing fates, how patient you are after 100 in a row with no drop, etc. I think the cultivating of patience is far more useful a skill, both in game and in the real world, than hand eye coordination or even memory.

4) It takes away from the satisfaction of achieving the finished product. This is an extreme example but if a Fate dropped an Atma every time, guaranteed, it would just feel like another hollow fetch quest. You would never feel that excitement or relief - ("FINALLY!")

These are just a few examples, I can think of more. At the end of the day though, maybe SE should have taken their 2.5% drop rate and just told players they needed to beat 30-40 fates. Same average time expended and less players complaining about fairness or RNG. I would be fine with this compromise. But I don't want to see everyone with an Animus right away the way that happened with relics. Accuse me of being a special snowflake if you want but many players do want to feel special, like they've achieved something significant, even if it is only for a couple of days.

I'll be running around with my glowing weapon and people will be like "whoa" but when everyone is running around with a glowing weapon, people will be like "yawn" and "this game's too easy" and "there's nothing to do."

[Marylain]

1) The Zodiac quest is optional.

It depends on your job and your game activity. I don't see it so "optional", especially for a tank.

2) It's a long term goal.

No, it is NOT. You can actually get all 12 Atmas in 12 FATES which means... 15-20 minutes or so... IF you have an insane amount of lucky. Book part is a long term goal. NOT this one.

3) Cultivation theory

The Atma quest cultivates hate, envy, grudge, but NOT patience.
I really cannot see how these feelings could help someone to be a better player in this game.

4) Satisfaction randomness

You felt satisfaction simply because you have been able to get something with less effort than many others out there.

Finally, I have reason to believe that there is not even a drop rate implied in this "quest".
I played some of the most unforgiving MMORPGs (in terms of drop rate) and I'm positively sure of what I'm saying.

[Sygmaelle]

Why exactly?

I'm at 5 atmas myself, I've put like 6 - 7 hours of fate in each zone to get each single of them, more or less. It just give me a reason to play mindlessly, group low level players, make people laugh, input some life and joy in the zones I'm farmin with my buddies.

That way I can also recruit people in the guild that just want to enjoy the game, even if they are at lvl 20. Besides that, it's a long term farm, thus it give incentive to log on and play after I've capped soldiery.

In 2.1, given I absolutely hated CT, the only thing I could do was doin hm or extreme modes with people just because I like the fights and had absolutely nothing else to do between raid days. Absolutely nothing.

Now I get to have a lot of options at disposal, and cherry on the cake ? server is active, people are just playin.

I get it that people think it's a terrible game design, on my end I'm a diablo player so farming is not something that bother me too much

[ArcFinix]

I like the quest and I have no problems with the Atma drop rates. Most people talk about the time they have spent. I prefer to think in terms of the number of fates grinded because let's face it, different people will be faster or slower at getting to and clearing fates. Time wise, it took me about 20 hours. Fate wise, it took me about 400 fates. Perhaps I was just lucky but nevertheless I was pretty happy whenever I saw the Atma message pop and I could move to the next area. I enjoyed that feeling as I enjoyed the feeling I got when I got the upgrade and could start grinding books.

I'm against changing the drop rates of Atma or the amount of Myth dungeons give out or anything like that and here's why:

1) The Zodiac quest is optional. There are equivalent or better weapons elsewhere. The Animus weapon will only be like 3rd best weapon for me. Even though SE plans on adding upgrade quests, I'm sure they will also add other equivalent or better weapons, meaning the Animus weapon serves only 2 purposes: to get one by until they get one of those other weapons or because it looks cool. I don't think people should be so irate about an optional quest. If you don't like something, don't do it. I don't like PvP. I wouldn't get angry if there was a high level PvP item that was the 3rd best for my class...

2) It's a long term goal. Yes, some of us want it NOW, but you could get it before the next patch with a pretty minimal time investment. Basically, this is another thing SE is giving players to do. They don't have to do it and not all parts of it are equal (the book part is way more enjoyable) but it is very preferable to wanting to play FFXIV but then not having anything to do. I like that there's something new to work for.

3) It puts players to the test in a different way. Not how good you are at dodging but how fast you are at rushing fates, how patient you are after 100 in a row with no drop, etc. I think the cultivating of patience is far more useful a skill, both in game and in the real world, than hand eye coordination or even memory.

4) It takes away from the satisfaction of achieving the finished product. This is an extreme example but if a Fate dropped an Atma every time, guaranteed, it would just feel like another hollow fetch quest. You would never feel that excitement or relief - ("FINALLY!")

These are just a few examples, I can think of more. At the end of the day though, maybe SE should have taken their 2.5% drop rate and just told players they needed to beat 30-40 fates. Same average time expended and less players complaining about fairness or RNG. I would be fine with this compromise. But I don't want to see everyone with an Animus right away the way that happened with relics. Accuse me of being a special snowflake if you want but many players do want to feel special, like they've achieved something significant, even if it is only for a couple of days.

I'll be running around with my glowing weapon and people will be like "whoa" but when everyone is running around with a glowing weapon, people will be like "yawn" and "this game's too easy" and "there's nothing to do."

1) The argument that it is optional is not solid itself. I can say the same that all weapon is optional.. if u don't raid/pvp/quest/fate and just log on to chat, everything is optional.

2) u are missing the key point.. we are not talking about want it now, we are talking about the unfairness of ppl getting it NOW while some get zero after 9 days. (i get 12 in a day and alot of zero for a few days)

3) this i agree, but it also cultivates frustration, boredom, envy and other stuff.. it really depend on how ppl see it. To me i find that the issue is all about lousy implementation.

4) nothing is satisfying here.. i beating titan HM when ppl are all failing when it just got release is more satisfying than fight rng with no skill.

[ArcFinix]

On a side note.. 2.21 patch.. i wonder if SE will do anything to fix this.

[Sygmaelle]

There's nothing to fix

[Grizzlebeard]

There's nothing to fix

108 pages disagree with your opinion.

[Marylain]

There's nothing to fix

They will fix it when FATE will be ignored by everyone as before 2.2, trust me.
They implemented this nightmare just to make you run like a guinea pig from a low level -entry place to another.
A system like this is far worse than the ones implented in some old crappy MMORPGs I used to play. At least in those MMORPGs, player actually had an alternative path to get the same rare drop: PURCHASE it with in-game money. Here you could easly give the option to get the Atma you need by trading it with GC seals.

[nolalala]

Also, i do hope that in the NEAR future each book will cost exactly 300 mythology tome taking it as it should be to 2.700 for the full upgrade.
13.500k is an exaggeration while aslo a complete waste of time.

[Merle]

Also, i do hope that in the NEAR future each book will cost exactly 300 mythology tome taking it as it should be to 2.700 for the full upgrade.
13.500k is an exaggeration while aslo a complete waste of time.

Yep, thats the point.... u.u