Atmas - Taking the fun out of gaming.

[Norondor]

Other side note, these are not meant to be completed within a week or two. No, these are LONG TERM goals. LONG. TERM.

Which is why people who haven't been consistently screwed, for hours or days at a time, without a single drop, are already done with theirs, yes?

[Rakashu]

I had fun with grinding out fates for my Atma.

Besides, getting it is not the end all be all, it's an additional option for you if you want to get it, there are other weapons currently available for you to procure through various means. It's not the sole weapon, and its not even the best weapon available for max ilvl. If you don't like working for something, don't do it.

Simple
As
That.

[Mitternacht]

Other side note, these are not meant to be completed within a week or two. No, these are LONG TERM goals. LONG. TERM.

Except there were people who completed Atma in 10-12 hours from the servers going up with 2.2. There are people with Animus *right* now. The only thing that throttles Atma completion is random chance. The could have simply required a number of FATEs equal to the expected value in FATEs completed with the current drop rates. That would have been much more in line with making it about 'perseverance' rather than blind luck.

The only thing Atma are currently a declaration of is that someone is a masochist with a poor understanding of probability.

[Pooky]

I'd rather do twice the myth books than atma grind for another class. At the very least they should allow us to get atma on any class. At least we could get some exp that way. Or come up with some other grind, like it dropping from Dungeons. The biggest issue is that you are forcing people to grind endlessly on lv10 FATEs as a lv50. Nobody wants to do that. And what about a month from now? When most people will have gotten their atma or given up on it, what about the people who want to get them. Doing these FATEs when tons of people are grinding them is painful enough. If I had to do lv10 FATEs with just myself or 3-4 people, yeah, this atma system may as well not exist.

That's why I have no issues with the myth books. yeah that's going to take forever and is a grind too, but its a grind I can see actual progress in. Its actually kinda fun to fill those out, cause for most of them, I am not being forced to do trivial things. Well, being forced to do a low level dungeon on a lv50 kinda sucks, but its still something that has a light at the end of the tunnel. With atma, you could spend all day in say Lower La Noscea and get nothing. You get no exp, barely any seals or gil and just hate that you even logged in to the game that day.

[Norondor]

If you don't like working for something, don't do it.

Simple
As
That.

Hey, quick reminder: it's not working! These aren't fights that require timing, memorization, learning, a party, gear of any kind or any other requirement other than lack of self-respect and the ability to repeatedly hit the "1" key.

It's not rewarding labor, it's time-sucking gambling! Please remember this in the future.

[Ooshima]

Basically this. You don't have to grind if you don't want to. Atma/animus is a poverty weapon for people that can't/don't do coil/ex. (Personally i'm doing both).

And, those who doesn't have the luck. I am doing all the contents and working on T7 now but again, there will only be one person with the Unknown Allagan Tomestone. And most of the weathered weapon are kinda junk unless you also obtain the sands of time from T8. Your next choise is a Tidal weapon but Mirror is an extremely rare drop.

Animus is at least something you know is an i100 weapon that you will have it if you work for it. Heck, it even have incremental upgrades starting from Atma and you feel the progression. Tidal weapon is just praying to RNG. And it would have been faster if your whole raid just do Animus and your whole team will be i100 weapon equipped.

[Rakashu]

Hey, quick reminder: it's not working! These aren't fights that require timing, memorization, learning, a party, gear of any kind or any other requirement other than lack of self-respect and the ability to repeatedly hit the "1" key.

It's not rewarding labor, it's time-sucking gambling! Please remember this in the future.

So your saying that some one who picks up boxes all day and stacks them onto other boxes isn't working, simply because its a very simple minded job?

It's working, your putting in time and effort to get something. It's literally no different than grinding out a faction, leveling up a profession, or any thing else. It's just a different way of achieving a goal to ultimately get something in the end - aka work, even if it is super easy.

Back when I played WoW I had to put in a year and a half of running Molten Core every single week in order to get a 1% drop item to craft a weapon. You think grinding out for Atma is hard? Because you haven't been given instant gratification within the first week? When we have at least 6 more months until the next patch? This is nothing.

[Kewitt]

I don't mind it right now, I've gotten 2.1 I say point 1 because I got the same one 2 times. My hubby doing all the same fates as me has non. I personally don't care if it takes me the 3 months of this patch cycle to finish 1 weapon. I'm not actively saying I NEED THIS NOW or I can't continue.

[Vondoomervil]

Go farm Levi Ex then. No ones forcing you to do it. I actually like the grind, And the excitement of finally getting the atma even if it takes awhile. So we both have different opinions of fun.... Now what? Your opinion matters more? No. Its there, They ain't changing it, stop complaining.

[Aldotsk]

Back when I played WoW I had to put in a year and a half of running Molten Core every single week in order to get a 1% drop item to craft a weapon. You think grinding out for Atma is hard?

And running a Molten Core was a run without skills and sending all high lvl Paladins into a dungeon right? Just swarm em up and farm em.

Honestly, I am not quite sure if you are actually bringing up legitimate argument. Molten Core is LIKE Coil. You group up and have people geared up with strategy to get 1% drop item to equip or craft an item. While FATE is just a random event that doesn't need any part of essential skills to put up for any strategy to complete it. It does NOT require people to bash their head to get better gear than Zenith weapon. When Zenith weapon was a lot harder to obtain comparing to Atma since you had to do long chain quest to receive your Relic.