3 star crafts too difficult, need fixing

[SukoshiSeppen]

The real problem is that hqs are equal to i90 gear...the nqs should be what the stats of hqs are and the new hq version should be i95 or i100. At the same time make the synths harder because perfect rng should still only give low chances to hq. So hopefully se gets their minds right on this crafting path as its fail atm.

[seorin]

Randomness is not challenge and good luck is not hard work. We already have plenty of work required to get to three star ready in the first place, and furthermore to raise the gil necessary for the expensive materials. RNG or no, we're still lacking challenge, and RNG presenting in lieu of challenge doesn't make for a better crafting system.

It might be a different story if NQ were ilvl 90 and the chance to HQ were 10% or less, but HQ is the expectation and NQ is a big waste of gil.

An alternative I think would be better is if the materials remained difficult to HQ, but the final product were easier. Putting together a bunch of different materials can be pretty fun, but it's frustrating to have all that work go down the drain because 99% wasn't enough to appease the RNG.

[Adoxx]

At this point, all you want is 100% HQ. That is all that is coming from this post. What would be the point of NQ if you could HQ 100% of the time? Nothing. So no, 100% is not a good idea. I don't know what your problem is either, I have never had issues selling NQ. I may not make a 500% profit off of the item, but it still gets sold and I still profit.

[Lyrinn]

Randomness is not challenge and good luck is not hard work. We already have plenty of work required to get to three star ready in the first place, and furthermore to raise the gil necessary for the expensive materials. RNG or no, we're still lacking challenge, and RNG presenting in lieu of challenge doesn't make for a better crafting system.

So which is more of a challenge, using math and algorithms to figure out a static rotation, or adapting your rotations so you make the best out of whatever situation you're stuck in? I'd argue the latter because a braindead monkey could push macro buttons 1-2-3. There's a reason there's an entire field of application/research dedicated to studying random systems and identifying what the best strategies to deal with those are; it's called operations research, go look it up.

[MithrasInvictus]

Lies. Meld your crafter, and level other classes, OP. I've made considerable amounts of 3* items with little to no trouble since the launch. They are for top-tier crafters to make as HQs with regularity. If you aren't a top tier crafter, then you have to settle for NQ, or try your luck. There's no point in spending MONTHS since launch dumping every cent that you have into melding if the hardest stuff is easy to make. That is the reward for all of our blood, sweat, and tears.

[seorin]

I certainly didn't arrive at my conclusion from a lack of experience. I've had all crafters and gatherers at 50 since shortly after launch, my gear is max melded, and I have all the master books and new tools. I vary my rotation based on item condition to maximize my luck. I get HQ at least 90% of the time if not closer to 95%. That still means 5% of the time, even when I do everything right, I fail through no fault of my own. After all the effort I've put in, I want failure to be my own fault.

If there's going to be random chance, I'd much rather the HQ chance be 5% instead of the NQ chance. That would actually be fun, because you'd have a 95% chance of success and a 5% chance of awesome success. When HQ is expected 95% of the time, NQ becomes a failure state. It's 95% chance of average success with a 5% chance of failure. Which is more fun - having an awesome success 5% of the time, or failing 5% of the time? I'm going to have to go with the former.

[ImDingDing]

If there's going to be random chance, I'd much rather the HQ chance be 5% instead of the NQ chance. That would actually be fun, because you'd have a 95% chance of success and a 5% chance of awesome success. When HQ is expected 95% of the time, NQ becomes a failure state. It's 95% chance of average success with a 5% chance of failure. Which is more fun - having an awesome success 5% of the time, or failing 5% of the time? I'm going to have to go with the former.

Just price the 5% risk margin into the final product and deal with it. And this wont last long as I am sure we will get full i70 crafter set in 2.3 (if not in 2.25).

[Ooshima]

Why would you want to make it even easier than now? To make the MB flooded with 3 star goods? Currently there is already quite a lot of competition for 3 star goods already.

Anyways I don't think it should be made that accessible. A pentamelded 3 star head, hand, belt and feet, taking into account of the extra melded stats, makes them as good as the i100 weathered pieces.

[Feilina]

A glass blower has about 30-50% waste. So your are mostly good. What is the point?
Not being able to get it handed out as easily as in 2.1 times?

[LineageRazor]

This is the first MMO I've played where RNG HASN'T been a significant part of crafting - until now. In those other MMO's, a crafter would craft a bunch of stuff knowing full well that they would not all be successful (whether "success" meant HQ, or simply being able to create the item).

I recommend you treat this like other MMO crafters treat RNG: Sell the NQs at or near cost of mats, make a killing on the HQs. Factor the cost of the "failures" into the price you demand for the successful synth.