It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[Raenryong]

In the example of the echo buff, the actual requirements are being lowered - the necessary skill to overcome the challenge has been mitigated, just like the necessary skill to obtain i110 gear would be reduced if it was available from dungeons, for instance. In the example of looking up information to aid with a fight, I do not consider this handholding as the necessary skill requirement is still exactly the same as it was - you've just become better prepared. In the case of parsers, you could argue that summing values adds an element of skill which parsing removes, but I would argue that the skill required in summing a set of data is considerably less (and is in fact effectively tedium since an average eight year old knows how to perform addition, especially with aid of a calculator) than the skill in analysing it and using it to improve yourself and your group. The ability to improve yourself only improves your preparation - it doesn't reduce the difficulty of the fight at all.

[Musashidon]

would gear count as hand holding and it is a serious question i ask it because there are plenty of fights that even though they can be difficult they are made alot easier and require less skill simply because you out gear it.

[OPneedNerfs]

Damn man, people should stop going to school. Such handholding. How can they give you info on stuff that's available to you already. Jeez.

[Musashidon]

Damn man, people should stop going to school. Such handholding. How can they give you info on stuff that's available to you already. Jeez.

so you see hand holding as bad? i find it a good thing. how about this. next time you wanna learn a recipe don't look at the instructions make it based on the name alone. that or if you wanna learn science do the science experiements yourself.

pretty low to mock someone else's opinion when you understand so little of someones view.

[Raenryong]

would gear count as hand holding and it is a serious question i ask it because there are plenty of fights that even though they can be difficult they are made alot easier and require less skill simply because you out gear it.

No, as the raw difficulty of the fight remains the same. Only your preparation improves. Gear tends to increase margin of error.

[ispano]

sounds like hand holding to me. but that's just my opinion. something else is telling you something you need to know.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...h/hand-holding

No, I tend to use terms based on what they actually mean, not what I personally feel they mean.

[Toonces]

To me it is something like:

You find a video recipe online and go try to make the dish. After it is made you give it to your parser for an opinion.

Parser tells you: This dish you made tastes horrible.
It doesn't tell you what you need to do to make it taste better. It doesn't tell you what you did wrong or what ingredient you forgot to add or added too much.

The value to you is that you have an objective tool telling you that your dish tastes horrible (even though you thought it tastes "ok") so you go back and trace your steps and see what you may have done wrong or how you can make it taste better.

This to me is not hand holding.

Now, if the parser told you your dish tastes horrible, because you added too much salt and you baked it 20 degrees higher than you should have, then I would consider it hand holding and an advantage since it told you exactly what to do to improve your dish.

[Diadumenos]

Crazy idea. Why doesn't SE make a parser for the player's information only? Would that satisfy each corner? The parser people would get their numbers and the non-parser people would not have to be impeded by the elitists. If people wanted to they could talk to each other and compare numbers. Or just ignore each other and exit the zone after fight like most do now... I think Yoshi-P would go for this ^^

[TheRac25]

Crazy idea. Why doesn't SE make a parser for the player's information only? Would that satisfy each corner? The parser people would get their numbers and the non-parser people would not have to be impeded by the elitists. If people wanted to they could talk to each other and compare numbers. Or just ignore each other and exit the zone after fight like most do now... I think Yoshi-P would go for this ^^

yeah all se has to do is stop sending log messages with other peoples battle info, and then it would be up to the parser programmers to add data sharing capability
and by the way, i own my computer not SE, i will do with the memory and its contents as i please

[Musashidon]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...h/hand-holding

No, I tend to use terms based on what they actually mean, not what I personally feel they mean.

The provision of careful support or guidance to someone during a learning process or a period of change:

it's just a circle with you. with this definition this is exactly what a parser is. support or guidance in a learning process (which rotation is better)

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it's holding your hand by making you have to do less. you say being given the recipe isn't hand holding but you wouldn't even be able to attempt it without the recipe.

hand holding isn't a bad thing it's a good thing.