It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[rhemi1]

Videos and guides is hand holding, they are showing you exactly what to watch out for and what to do. I accept that I am having my hand held when I look up said videos, and so should you.

I'll accept that I'm looking up help, not having my hand held. An unskilled player can look up all the videos they want and still completely screw up the fight down to the basic mechanics. They definitely don't teach you everything and I'd argue you learn more from just going in and wiping repeatedly than watching a video, especially a wordy, talky piece like anything Mr Happy puts out.

[ItzKris]

I'll accept that I'm looking up help, not having my hand held. An unskilled player can look up all the videos they want and still completely screw up the fight down to the basic mechanics. They definitely don't teach you everything and I'd argue you learn more from just going in and wiping repeatedly than watching a video, especially a wordy, talky piece like anything Mr Happy puts out.

I don't see how that (whats in bold) contributes to your argument of not having your hand held; I see that information as irrelevant. Sure its true, but irrelevant.
So clearly this discussion will go nowhere.

[rhemi1]

I don't see how that (whats in bold) contributes to your argument of not having your hand held; I see that information as irrelevant. Sure its true, but irrelevant.
So clearly this discussion will go nowhere.

I think that's mostly because I see 'having your hand held' as something akin to Deadly Boss Mods; Shouting at you about mechanics, timers on the screen, auto-marking targets. It's not playing the game for you, but it definitely lowers difficulty once the learning phase passes.

I don't really view looking up guides and videos as having your hand held since, especially for videos, every raid comp is different and so are players. I can't recall a video to this date that I've followed to a T; always had to modify it in some way or in some case change it entirely.

[ItzKris]

I think that's mostly because I see 'having your hand held' as something akin to Deadly Boss Mods; Shouting at you about mechanics, timers on the screen, auto-marking targets. It's not playing the game for you, but it definitely lowers difficulty once the learning phase passes.

I don't really view looking up guides and videos as having your hand held since, especially for videos, every raid comp is different and so are players. I can't recall a video to this date that I've followed to a T; always had to modify it in some way or in some case change it entirely.

Oh ok, that makes sense. I view hand holding as anything that shows the mechanics to a fight or the attacks the bosses does.
Just a difference of opinion