It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[CYoung187]

But don't forget: If you tell someone they ran their mile in 7 minutes, it is considered harassment. Also, owning a stopwatch is toxic and elitist.

If I go out for my morning run and you follow me with a stop watch the whole way and tell me I need to learn how to run. Yeah that would be harassment. You aren't other players coach.

[bokchoykn]

If I go out for my morning run and you follow me with a stop watch the whole way and tell me I need to learn how to run. Yeah that would be harassment. You aren't other players coach.

I agree. This kind of feedback should be reserved for relay races or other team competitions where the two of us depend on each other to succeed.

[Asael]

But don't forget: If you tell someone they ran their mile in 7 minutes, it is considered harassment. Also, owning a stopwatch is toxic and elitist.

lol xD Well, close enough.

If I go out for my morning run and you follow me with a stop watch the whole way and tell me I need to learn how to run. Yeah that would be harassment. You aren't other players coach.

Yes it would be, but it's really more along the lines of a one mile relay team. If your time isn't up to snuff then yeah expect to be cut and replaced, or at the very least be sent into remedial training. Like wise if a damage dealer wearing i90+ gear in Coil is pulling 160 dps he/she should expect the same. The solution to this issue is simple in that people just need to take the time to learn how to properly perform at their jobs rather than getting bent out of shape over a software program.

[Airget]

But don't forget: If you tell someone they ran their mile in 7 minutes, it is considered harassment. Also, owning a stopwatch is toxic and elitist.

A better way to put it is like this. The person that ran a 7min mile might not care if they ran it in 7 minutes or if someone did it better than them, they are playing how they want to play. In the same sense a parser when used in the manner of micro-managing peoples rotations takes away from the fun of just playing the game because it no longer becomes the person's personal ability to know how much stronger they can get, but rather a person who is obtaining the numbers to force them into a playstyle they have yet to adjust into.

[CYoung187]

I agree. This kind of feedback should be reserved for relay races or other team competitions where the two of us depend on each other to succeed.

Let's keep comparing the game to work/sport. I know the elitest crowd sees the game differently and measures their success in life on how well they do in a video game, but for the other 99% a video game is a leisurely activity. Those who aren't playing this game competitively to grow their e-peen don't want some random guy they don't know running behind them telling them they suck.

People in static groups are a team, they play with each other all the time and improve with each other. Harassing some random person on how they play is a different story, they aren't asking for it and you are not their coach. Maybe the analogy is they are training in order to eventually join a team. There is a difference between a teammate telling you to improve vs. some random person doing it. On a team its asked for, as a stranger you have no credibility. I think I will just go around to different people I don't know and tell them they could be doing their job better, we'll see how that goes.

[MrEzekial]

If this were a BANNABLE offense, SE would not have included a profanity filter. Its not just cursing that is considered offensive language and if people ARE offended by profanity, they are likely safe and sound still behind there profanity filter.

Unfortunately, if someone makes the choice to disable their profanity filter, and get offended by something you say it falls under harassment. Stupid I know, seeing there is blacklists and such, but whatever.

[Gormogon]

Of course, I'm reliant on it. I'll do whatever I can to improve me and my party's chances of success. I'm more interested in playing my video game on my own terms than I am interested in seeking some bullshit moral high ground where statistical data is the devil.

So in the end you are using to just be elitists where it ain't needed. I hope you're not toxic but you're proving otherwise.

I'm glad I don't overly obsess over numbers.

[ispano]

no it's not this is an abuse of the vote kick system and can be reported.

It's only an abuse in DF, you can kick someone from your premade party for any reason.

[bokchoykn]

Let's keep comparing the game to work/sport. I know the elitest crowd sees the game differently and measures their success in life on how well they do in a video game, but for the other 99% a video game is a leisurely activity. Those who aren't playing this game competitively to grow their e-peen don't want some random guy they don't know running behind them telling them they suck.

Okay, how is your attitude any different than what you accuse "elitists" of?

You anti-parser people don't want "elitists" to hold you to their ridiculous standards, and you're afraid that parsers give them a reason to do so. I understand that and part of me agrees with all of you. People should respect the fact that not everyone else plays the game the same way that they do. People should not look down on other players who don't take the game as seriously as they do. I agree 100%.

You said:

and measures their success in life on how well they do in a video game, but for the other 99% a video game is a leisurely activity.

Do you not see the hypocrisy? You don't want people looking down on you for playing the game at a lower level of intensity than they do, and yet you seem to think it's perfectly fine to look down on people who play the game at a higher level of intensity than you do.

That's such an enormous cop out. Someone who takes their hobby seriously and strives to be good at it, and you label them as someone who compensates for their real life inadequacies by being good at video games. So what if somebody else wants to be good at the game and wants to use a parser to help them do it? Nobody's forcing casual players to install a parser. Why are you so intent on high level players to get rid of theirs?

Also, shame on you for bringing real life into this. People who play this game come from all walks of life. Some people are married with children, others are teenagers living in their parents' basements. Some are rich and successful, some are high school drop outs. Some are social butterflies and some are socially awkward. However, once we log in and become our video game personas, we're on equal terms. The game doesn't care who you are IRL. The only thing that matters is what you do in the game. That's why we play. So what the hell do you care about people's success in life? You cry "elitist" but you are the elitist here.

People in static groups are a team, they play with each other all the time and improve with each other. Harassing some random person on how they play is a different story, they aren't asking for it and you are not their coach. Maybe the analogy is they are training in order to eventually join a team. There is a difference between a teammate telling you to improve vs. some random person doing it. On a team its asked for, as a stranger you have no credibility. I think I will just go around to different people I don't know and tell them they could be doing their job better, we'll see how that goes.

I agree.

However, once you enter a duty, particularly a PF that clearly lays out what kind of group it is, you more-or-less accept the responsibility of carrying your weight in that duty. If you don't, you can't fault anyone for criticizing your play or removing you from the group. This isn't a matter of an "elitist" holding you to their standards. They don't set the standards; the game does. These standards are set by the task at hand: The boss' HP total, his damage output, the moves he does, etc...

If the damage dealers need to put out an average of X DPS each to successfully beat Titan EX and you fail to meet that requirement, you are a detriment to the group's ability to succeed. If they can't carry you, they will remove you. If they remove you, they owe you the courtesy of telling you why you were removed: "Your damage output was too low. You need to get better at your job." This is not elitism or toxicity. It's only math.

[Musashidon]

It's only an abuse in DF, you can kick someone from your premade party for any reason.

can't vote kick in dungeons in a premade so no real issue.