Is this your first Final Fantasy? Or do you just not remember grinding in past games?

[Athelias]

I've played every Final Fantasy game to date, and XI since launch. Anyway, these weapons are meant for a specific type of people; those who don't plan on getting Allagan weapons anytime soon, or the Leviathan weapons+mirror. Simple as that.

There are a couple paths a person can take, and the new Atma weapons are just one of those paths.

[Tandy]

I've played every Final Fantasy game to date, and XI since launch. Anyway, these weapons are meant for a specific type of people; those who don't plan on getting Allagan weapons anytime soon, or the Leviathan weapons+mirror. Simple as that.

There are a couple paths a person can take, and the new Atma weapons are just one of those paths.

Except for the little fact about the upgrading again...unlike Allagan or Leviathan weapons even after the mirror. The fact this is one STEP on a who knows how long upgrade path makes it vastly more important than other weapons long term.

[mikoto_qc]

18 PAGES FOR TROLL WHO NEVER WROTE AGAIN ON HIS OWN THREAD. comon pepeol. he's a troll and smilling big time in his litle lonely room.

[Athelias]

Except for the little fact about the upgrading again...unlike Allagan or Leviathan weapons even after the mirror. The fact this is one STEP on a who knows how long upgrade path makes it vastly more important than other weapons long term.

The thing is, even though you will be able to keep upgrading it, it will never be the best weapon in the game. There will always be a better weapon that is obtained through a raid, so it isn't as important as you'd think. You can either focus on the Atma weapons for now, go after Allagan, or mix it up. There are choices here, no one is being forced into this grind.

At the moment, the Atma weapons are no where near the top of my to-do-list, especially since there are other weapons I could get. I will eventually acquire an Atma weapon, but for now, I'll just work on it every once in awhile.

[Meleoffs]

People that say RNG is a part of RPGs are forgetting modern RPGs... This isn't 10 years ago, heck, it isn't even 5 years ago. Please stop making that comparison.

RNG is a part of RPGs and if you say it isn't you're fooling yourself. When you're fighting seymore in FFX you basically had to hope he didn't 1 shot you in his 3rd form to beat him if it was your first time playing the game. For a more recent comparison.

Skyrim: Lockpick locations are a randomly generated number in the code corresponding to a coordinate of the lock where its "open" position is. Video games in general have an absurd amount of random number generation that a lot of people seem to forget about.

[Tandy]

The thing is, even though you will be able to keep upgrading it, it will never be the best weapon in the game. There will always be a better weapon that is obtained through a raid, so it isn't as important as you'd think. You can either focus on the Atma weapons for now, go after Allagan, or mix it up. There are choices here, no one is being forced into this grind.

At the moment, the Atma weapons are no where near the top of my to-do-list, especially since there are other weapons I could get. I will eventually acquire an Atma weapon, but for now, I'll just work on it every once in awhile.

Right now it is ilvl 100. Coil will be 115. They have already said it will be upgraded again in 2.25...which would either make it a 115 or maybe even 120 weapon? We dont know at this point....but saying it will NEVER be the best weapon is maybe taking it too far. It will at least be on par with the best I think.

[Jinko]

RNG is a part of RPGs and if you say it isn't you're fooling yourself. When you're fighting seymore in FFX you basically had to hope he didn't 1 shot you in his 3rd form to beat him if it was your first time playing the game. For a more recent comparison.

This is bad game design.

Skyrim: Lockpick locations are a randomly generated number in the code corresponding to a coordinate of the lock where its "open" position is. Video games in general have an absurd amount of random number generation that a lot of people seem to forget about.

This is ok because you are frikkin picking a lock, apples and oranges.

[Eardstapa]

RNG is a part of RPGs and if you say it isn't you're fooling yourself. When you're fighting seymore in FFX you basically had to hope he didn't 1 shot you in his 3rd form to beat him if it was your first time playing the game. For a more recent comparison.

Skyrim: Lockpick locations are a randomly generated number in the code corresponding to a coordinate of the lock where its "open" position is. Video games in general have an absurd amount of random number generation that a lot of people seem to forget about.

The point is, it's not like the old days of 'D&D' RNG... Where it was there for literally everything.

[Tupsi]

The point is, it's not like the old days of 'D&D' RNG... Where it was there for literally everything.

It's still there in gaming today. You'll almost always be "rolling a dice", especially if its an RPG and it's designed not to completely hold your hand.

[Athelias]

Right now it is ilvl 100. Coil will be 115. They have already said it will be upgraded again in 2.25...which would either make it a 115 or maybe even 120 weapon? We dont know at this point....but saying it will NEVER be the best weapon is maybe taking it too far. It will at least be on par with the best I think.

I think it's more likely that they will be 105 or 110, depending on when the next upgrade is after 2.25. I'm just going off of what was true in the past, they seem to keep a consistent pattern. Relics were iLvl 90 and Allagan Weapons were 95.