Is this your first Final Fantasy? Or do you just not remember grinding in past games?

[Takeva]

snip.

A goal is something that isn't handed to you in 5 or 8, not even 24 hours. What they meant by handed is to be given the drops easily without any effort. Nobody wants that. A guarantee is way better because at least you know you are working towards something no matter how long it takes. Random is worst because it can be handed easily to some and some won't receive it all. They are paying a subscription to receive nothing at all? If people wanted a rng they can go play a f2p mmo.

You can tell people they don't need to do it but there is a different between want and need. Some people find the grind enjoyable but grinding for nothing is torture and not worth the effort. What else does anyone have besides the grind, if that's all they like doing?

I can already see the next line coming...

[Takeva]

I didn't read all.
Those complaining a bit with the system in place, would it be better for you if every FATE would drop one Atma?
Please consider that SE would update the needed amount too!!!!

Atm we have a drop chance like 10%, from what I read. You could be lucky and find them all in one day.
If the drop chance would be 100% you would have to farm 10-20 or more Atmas to finish one.

Conclusion:
Be careful what you whish for.

You didn't read, so you don't know what we are asking for. I would rather farm for 50-100 atmas each zodiac rather then have it to be based on chance.

[Tupsi]

You didn't read, so you don't know what we are asking for. I would rather farm for 50-100 atmas each zodiac rather then have it to be based on chance.

And right after that you get you grind a lot of mobs, dungeons, specific fates and specific leves along with grinding up 13,500 myth tomes - Guess what? People still complained about that even though it's not "random and guaranteed."

[Deathscythe343]

Atm we have a drop chance like 10%, from what I read.

There has been no confirmed evidence to support this statement. There has been no evidence to support any percentage that people have claimed the drop rate it. A player's percentage chance of receiving an atma when a fate has concluded is X. X is a constant. It isn't going to change. No matter if you do 1 fate or 1,000,000 fates, the chance you will get an atma when the fate is over is still X.

[Jinko]

See, you're making the assumption that what is painful to you = painful to someone else. Some people like the "old school grind", does that mean it's painful for them if they enjoy it just because it's painful to you? Some people despise tanking and healing roles and find it a painful experience, yet some people absolutely love it, does that make them a masochist?

Again with being argumentative for the sake of it .. (and yes now I am being argumentative... before you point that out)

Firstly, I was clear in my post that my assumption was indeed just that, hence why I said "willing to bet".

Secondly, you have a choice to heal or tank, BUT if you want a Zodiac weapon you have to endure this system and Atma grind, you have no other choice than to give up on this content.

I don't think (and yes this is another assumption hence the word think) that people dislike the grind involved with this system, more that the RNG makes it almost unbearable.

When you have been farming the same area for 2 days come back and let me know, chances are that may not happen, but for some people it is.

[Deathscythe343]

And right after that you get you grind a lot of mobs, dungeons, specific fates and specific leves along with grinding up 13,500 myth tomes - Guess what? People still complained about that even though it's not "random and guaranteed."

Actually, a lot of the people that I have talked to are ok with the book portion of the grind. This is because the requirement to finish the book is plainly spelled out for them. They have a progress that they can see. They can see the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak, whereas the current system of atma farming has nothing like that.

[Tupsi]

When you have been farming the same fate for 2 days come back and let me know

Took me 4 days total, 2 days itself in Outer La Noscea - The difference? I decided to do other content and come back to it inbetween doing other stuff, since you know, it was my choice not to spend potentially hours on one set of fates and do other stuff in between.

It seems the ones doing the complaining are the ones who decide to sit there and grind it all day - It's luck based but you still have the option to go and do other stuff, you have 3 months, you have plenty of time to come back to it if it's not happening for you after a couple of FATEs. It's not like you'll instantly get the "best weapon", you have more grinding after the Atmas, some even worse than FATEs because unless you party up (which a lot of people don't want to) you'll be trying to get 10 kills on a set of monsters that has only 2-3 spawns ever for a very long time.

Actually, a lot of the people that I have talked to are ok with the book portion of the grind. This is because the requirement to finish the book is plainly spelled out for them. They have a progress that they can see. They can see the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak, whereas the current system of atma farming has nothing like that.

Same with people I talk to - However it didn't stop people on here from complaining about it as well, so no matter what happens there will be complaints and it kind of goes against the point of "clear goals" when you have people that complains when it's "too much" or "too high", so if it isn't random, it's "too much".

And it seems the ones defended the system are those who completely it fairly quickly, well done you !

4 days is quickly? Interesting, I found the people with Animus weapons are the ones who completed it quickly.

[Jinko]

Took me 4 days total, 2 days itself in Upper La Noscea - The difference? I decided to do other content and come back to it inbetween doing other stuff, since you know, it was my choice not to spend potentially hours on one set of fates and do other stuff in between.

It seems the ones doing the complaining are the ones who decide to sit there and grind it all day - It's luck based but you still have the option to go and do other stuff, you have 3 months, you have plenty of time to come back to it if it's not happening for you after a couple of FATEs. It's not like you'll instantly get the "best weapon", you have more grinding after the Atmas, some even worse than FATEs because unless you party up (which a lot of people don't want to) you'll be trying to get 10 kills on a set of monsters that has only 2-3 spawns ever for a very long time.

And it seems the ones defended the system are those who completely it fairly quickly, well done you !

4 days is quickly? Interesting, I found the people with Animus weapons are the ones who completed it quickly.

You just said I have 3 months, so yea in comparison 4 days is quickly.

[Deathscythe343]

It seems the ones doing the complaining are the ones who decide to sit there and grind it all day - It's luck based but you still have the option to go and do other stuff, you have 3 months, you have plenty of time to come back to it if it's not happening for you after a couple of FATEs. It's not like you'll instantly get the "best weapon", you have more grinding after the Atmas, some even worse than FATEs because unless you party up (which a lot of people don't want to) you'll be trying to get 10 kills on a set of monsters that has only 2-3 spawns ever for a very long time.

Yes, people have some time to complete the task as a whole, but as you mentioned, there is quite a bit more after atmas too.

[Deathscythe343]

Same with people I talk to - However it didn't stop people on here from complaining about it as well, so no matter what happens there will be complaints and it kind of goes against the point of "clear goals" when you have people that complains when it's "too much" or "too high", so if it isn't random, it's "too much".

There will always be people that complain. That will never change. It does not, however, mean that some of their complaints are not unwarranted.