Tank's hate generation "reduced"?

[RobBull]

I've noticed that I'm having a harder time holding hate in 4 man instances with both my warrior and paladin. I had issues holding hate seed running WP and Brayflox's HM, as well running as Halatali HM normally, with my paladin. My warrior seemed to hold aggro better than paladin. It's almost like they nerfed flash. In turn 2, my Summoner pulled aggro right off the tank on the disposal node on my first fester. I was using raging strikes, but I gave him time to land a combo by putting shadow flare down first. That is the only 8 man where I've seen a tank have issues. Ran turn 4 as warrior last night and had zero issues holding mobs.

[Tiggy]

Haven't noticed a change so far. I'll keep an eye on it though.

[ZoroRoro]

I think that the DPS are better quality at least in DF for the new 4 mans. Aside from better gear, the progressive players are out in force trying to cap their soldiery. It seems to me that in even before 2.1, and not soon after, most of these same players were already geared out and may have only appeared sporadically in DF doing dailies. In 2.2, I've seen high DPS parses more frequently when using DF or doing expert daily. With that said, any lost hate seems easily recovered though, and its mostly a stray mob in a big pull like in Brayflox. I have not yet noticed healers pulling more hate in 2.2 in the 4 mans.

[Ooshima]

Was pulling off aggro a couple of times from the tank again, even in Stone Vigil (doing my Trial of the Brave) earlier.

What I've noticed is that PLD seems to be more vulnerable to such issues. In fact all the aggro I've pulled or close to pulling are all PLD. The Japanese thread in OP seems to suggest so too. WAR doesn't seem to be affected or affected as much, but my raid's WAR told me that in 2.1 he could get away without Defiance on for dungeon stuffs but right now he don't think he can get away with it anymore.

[HeavyRain]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...11#post1999511

Official answer posted to JP forum. In summary, "Nothing changed about hate generation. But if you noticed something wrong, you can post to bug-report forum. We checked one reported issue but it was normal behavior."
Sorry for my poor English, Thank you.

[Ooshima]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...11#post1999511

Official answer posted to JP forum. In summary, "Nothing changed about hate generation. But if you noticed something wrong, you can post to bug-report forum. We checked one reported issue but it was normal behavior."
Sorry for my poor English, Thank you.

Thanks for your update, I didn't actively follow that thread so I didn't notice the update. Your English is good, I wish I can speak Japanese as well as you could speak English

[Legionius]

That would explain why switching back to level Warrior it feels much weaker in the threat department. Instantly noticeable for me and quite annoying for that first DF group after weeks.

[MadCabbit]

As a PLD, I've noticed this, too. It's not just flash, I try comboing to pull off a monk, and it's all I can do to keep up. I never had this problem before 2.2. It's gotten to the point where my FC would rather not speedrun with a PLD.

[SpookyGhost]

Never lost hate in 2.0, never lose hate now. Less or more, doesn't matter to me.

[Legionius]

After running a few more dungeons, I've only had threat issues with a scaled down bard. Thinking back, my original issue was also with a few scaled down bards.

Opening with Toma -> Butcher's Block combo x2 and as I finish the second or right before it, there's a bard getting his nose chewed on.

I could just be running into Bards that have no concept of throttling against a leveling tank or something could be off else where. They did seem to hesitate on the pull but, who knows after that.