New token/oil upgrade system screws healers

[SendohJin]

If you have a coil run where you barely missed the dps check. Won't you feel like crap after taking oils away as healer/tank?

Coil is pretty much dps checks after you get mechanics down.

If you don't care about progression speed enough then yes this system doesn't screw you over. You can take oils and progress ok from sold and drops alone. But you will probably wipe alot more though.

T8 was cleared before the first reset, it's not a gear issue.

i'm not saying everybody is going to be in a top tier group but why should the healers and tanks feel like crap that the DPS failed the DPS check?

[sharazisspecial]

T8 was cleared before the first reset, it's not a gear issue.

i'm not saying everybody is going to be in a top tier group but why should the healers and tanks feel like crap that the DPS failed the DPS check?

You don't understand how coil works do you... If you have better dps you wipe less because you get past phases quicker.
Theres also a bit of luck involved when it comes to dps. E.g dps constantly being targeted by conflags or dreads over the healers. Which reduces their dps.

Alot of clears are due to the group being extremely lucky with RNG. They have a lucky run where the healers/offtank/bard are always targeted by mechanics that reduce dps by requiring movement or even just stunning you. So for normal runs they may need a certain amount higher to beat the dps check.

[SendohJin]

You don't understand how coil works do you... If you have better dps you wipe less because you get past phases quicker.
Theres also a bit of luck involved when it comes to dps. E.g dps constantly being targeted by conflags or dreads over the healers. Which reduces their dps.

Also the turn 8 clear may have been false? Either way that doesn't mean everyone can beat coil 8 with current gear.

that's how most DPS checks work, it's not exclusive to Coil. and if you're saying the group failed the DPS check because of luck, luck shouldn't make anyone feel bad.

you're implying the group on our server that SE acknowledged as World First on Twintania falsified their Turn 8 clear and you're telling me i don't know how Coil works?

[sharazisspecial]

that's how most DPS checks work, it's not exclusive to Coil. and if you're saying the group failed the DPS check because of luck, luck shouldn't make anyone feel bad.

you're implying the group on our server that SE acknowledged as World First on Twintania falsified their Turn 8 clear and you're telling me i don't know how Coil works?

I thought you were talking about a different group lol. Grats BG for killing turn 8. Not really been on reddit or the dungeon forum for a while so i was misinformed there. I didnt mean to slander BG lol...