SE - 2.2 is Going to Cost You Greatly

[Lamentations]

So...speed is the excuse for poor design?

Also, what does XI have to do with anything? This isn't XI... you could compare to any game...and say it's not as "bad" as X... that is not a very good way to evaluate something... pick something that is worse and say "It could have been worse".

1. Xi has a lot to do with xiv, considering a great deal of the hardcore FF fans in xiv had extensive sub histories with xi.

2. What you call poor design is simply SE trying to cater to both hardcore and casual players many of those also veterans of xi.

3. Players who devour content such as the pre 2.2 stuff in 2 weeks and then squeak about nothing to do here are as much or more to blame than any MMO grind mechanic, some people should pursue other interests outside gaming perhaps, like a girlfriend, boyfriend, maybe even a paycheck, they don't give away groceries where I live.

4. There will be "no" mass sub crash in xiv, those diehard FF fans will be here, and they will buy a 3rd retainer in many cases as well as fantasia too.

5. Forum topics such as these are the reason the 99% who do not post in general forums avoid doing so, and the exact reason they should get more involved.

6. I am one of the hardest video game critics you will ever find, if I am a "knight" of any color, it is black not white, some 30 years+ played in everything from pinball to xiv, people can wish xiv dead all they want, not going to happen.

7. People can say xiv is bad, it isn't that bad.

[Amberion]

I would rather have it be a time sink for everyone, like "Do every FATE in these 12 zones three times each" rather than a time sink only for the unlucky.

You might, but then you have people that hate that with a passion.

Also, why would an atma suddenly drop on x amount of FATE done? I'm asking that in an immersion kind of way.

[ExponentialDecay]

What a bunch of casuals complaining their Atma's aren't being handed to them.

[Tiggy]

What a bunch of casuals complaining their Atma's aren't being handed to them.

It has nothing to do about being handed anything.

13 hours of farming later I still have 0 atma. I've done my time. I've farmed my atma but I've received absolutely nothing for it. The worst part was being in black brush where every single fate gives me crap seals. Do not sit there talking about casuals because this punishes people who aren't casuals as well. A bad system is a bad system. My roommate killed 2 fates and has 2 atma's. There is absolutely nothing fair about this system at all.

[Fayto]

It has nothing to do about being handed anything.

13 hours of farming later I still have 0 atma. I've done my time. I've farmed my atma but I've received absolutely nothing for it. The worst part was being in black brush where every single fate gives me crap seals. Do not sit there talking about casuals because this punishes people who aren't casuals as well. A bad system is a bad system. My roommate killed 2 fates and has 2 atma's. There is absolutely nothing fair about this system at all.

There is, it is called RNG. RNG is fair.

[ExponentialDecay]

It has nothing to do about being handed anything.

13 hours of farming later I still have 0 atma. I've done my time. I've farmed my atma but I've received absolutely nothing for it. The worst part was being in black brush where every single fate gives me crap seals. Do not sit there talking about casuals because this punishes people who aren't casuals as well. A bad system is a bad system. My roommate killed 2 fates and has 2 atma's. There is absolutely nothing fair about this system at all.

Sounds like it is Working as Intended and you're just complaining that Atma stones aren't raining from the skies. You not getting any stones after 11 hours and your friend getting two stones in quick succession are very fair as that is how random systems generally work on the extremes.

[Roris]

RNG is fair because it makes me have a special thing first before everyone else can!

[Nadrojj]

What a bunch of casuals complaining their Atma's aren't being handed to them.

Pretty much. Sorry you guys can't be gratified instantly because you only have an hour or two to log in per day. I played 11 for 7 years and I've played 14 since 1.0. I'm extremely happy they gave us something to log in and grind towards. If you don't like you don't need to worry about getting the weapon. You don't have to do the content. I've paid my four extra bucks a month for my retainers and SE will continue to collect from me every month because the 13.99 I now pay is money well spent on something I invest a ton of time into. As long as they keep putting out quality content like this I'm all for it.

For those of you who don't like this update I feel pretty bad for you, I was hoping we'd get something like this and now I'm excited to log in again.

[Felis]

Many people complaining about the Atma RNG would have not survived the first part of the relict quest 1.0 where you grinded hamlet defense for weeks only to unlock the relict quest, praying that the next hamlet defense give you the one last seal you are still missing.

[ApolloGenX]

Many people complaining about the Atma RNG would have not survived the first part of the relict quest 1.0 where you grinded hamlet defense for weeks only to unlock the relict quest, praying that the next hamlet defense give you the one last seal you are still missing.

...and 1.0 was a humiliating failure that hardly anyone played. So that is not exactly something to brag about.

In fact, it should have been a cautionary tale.