Atma = Zenith, Seriously?

[Basso]

If you look at it in any other way that an in between state you are looking at the item incorrectly. Its not supposed to be an end all weapon. It most likely never will be an end all weapon. Its completely optional.

i doesnt need to be that good, but if we look back, zenit ilevle 90, best weaon ilevel 95, this time its 100 and 115, in my opnion all the work for the atma weapon deserves a little stat upgrade, the itemlevel somewhat says its a stronger weapon but in reality its exactly the same.

[XanderOlivieri]

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Item level doesn't mean its a stronger item. ilvl 90 Regular Crafted gear is not better than ilvl 90 Dungeon gear. High Quality Crafted gear is on level with Dungeon gear. But still regular crafted items are inferior with the same item level.

Looking at i55 gear, doing 4 of them with different stats:



Even with HQ standing, the Militia robe doesn't have as much Int as the Evoker's Doublet, but has better accuracy and increased Spell Speed. It even has two Materia slots to increase the missing stats. Depending on the Materia bonus cap, it can have more Int than the doublet.

Still Item level doesn't mean they are the same or stronger. Transitional gear will have oddly placed stats because it can be altered as its being pushed into its next stage.

If you look at it in any way other than its in transition to the next stage of weaponry, you are looking at it completely wrong. Animus isn't supposed to be better than the Solidarity gear or the High Allagan gear.

The Weathered Solidarity items are also transitional gear. Once you finished with them, they increase in power.

[Basso]

The only thing im saying right now is atma should be better then zenit, im not saying how far better, just better, some color for the insane atma fate grinding is just really really disappointing.

and of course power differs even through the same itemlevel, and your table, except for the normal militia robe, the power of the items is the same, sure diffrent stats but overall the same.

and if not for the power of the item what is the ilevel for?

[Djeserit]

The only thing im saying right now is atma should be better then zenit, im not saying how far better, just better, some color for the insane atma fate grinding is just really really disappointing.

It is better, after you finish the first book, and every book after that.

iLevel is there to determine the maximum stat that a given item can have.

[XanderOlivieri]

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Your stats are what make your power. If you have overall less stats in an item with the same level, then that item is weaker than another gear of the same level with higher stats. The new Crit Healing stat Armor is a Scholar's best gear while its almost useless on a White Mage who needs the Mind to raise the power of their heals. Both healers would have to have two different sets of gear because of the core difference in their play styles, but that's only when comparing two different Classes/Jobs need for stats in relation to gear's usefulness.

The HQ armor, un-melded is weaker than dungeon gear. Normal Quality is drastically weaker with the same item level. Item level doesn't mean that they are stronger as a whole. As Djeserit said, it determines the possible maximum that item can have.

Atma weapon with two books completed IS stronger than Zenith weapon. It doesn't change its name until all of the books have been completed. When you get the 12 Atma stones, your Zenith is the same as an incomplete Atma weapon. Once you do any of the books, you are in the Atma stage for real as your stats are now different.


Item level is also only good for ranking items potential. Dungeons need a specific number of averaged points to participate because your potential overall gear total needs to meet that minimum requirement. Crafted gear are the only ones with the ability to exceed pre-built stats due to 1)Quality of craftmanship and 2) Melding/overmelding. Crafted gear is worthless if you don't get HQ with Proper melded gear when you compare it to high end dungeon gear.

This is how the game was designed to work. You can't look at it in any other way than what was written out for us.

[Parodine]

1500 myth per book just to make 1 weapon marginally better + all that FATE grinding...just isn't worth it to me right now. I'd rather be using the myth to collect gear for alts, etc.

But for those who want it, have at it.

[SarcasmMisser]

i doesnt need to be that good, but if we look back, zenit ilevle 90, best weaon ilevel 95, this time its 100 and 115, in my opnion all the work for the atma weapon deserves a little stat upgrade, the itemlevel somewhat says its a stronger weapon but in reality its exactly the same.

The problem is this time all the alternate weapons are very hard to get and to have the relic on par with even new tome weapons once upgraded just undermines the whole upgrade process. If you think about it this was a mistake relics made in 2.0, very early you could get a BiS weapon and totally disregard weapon progression thoughout the rest of the game. They corrected this slightly by buffing allagan weapons, and in this patch they have balanced it by making a mindless grind weapon a upgrade above 2.1 gear but in no way an invalidation of other gear options.

[NintenPyjak64]

1500 myth per book just to make 1 weapon marginally better + all that FATE grinding...just isn't worth it to me right now. I'd rather be using the myth to collect gear for alts, etc.

But for those who want it, have at it.

I said this in another thread and I'll say it here: Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to get your atma.
I'm not working on an atma at this time and here's why: Weathered Book of Spades for my SMN gives me better stats then Veil of Wiyu Animus, and SMN is my current main. While I could go for the Atmas as WHM, I'd rather do what you say and use Myth for gear. I don't dislike the atma system, in fact I find a ton of potential, but right now I have other priorities

[Grembo]

Bravura (fully upgraded) is probably the best axe for an MT right now, until people can start laying their hands on those high allagan weapons.

Wave axe and Conquerer look more suited to OT's with their secondary stats focusing on crit and det.

Put the work in to get the one you want or move on to something else. simple.

[SarcasmMisser]

You would take 40 parry over an increase of weapon damage, 5 strength and 7 vitality? Don't be one of those people who severely overvalue secondary stats.