SE, stop teasing us with THF/NIN/ASN

[Renvalt]

It is already planned to have all classes to have 2 Job paths.

Current classes are missing their 2nd Jobs (Except for Arcanist) because we are currently lacking the other classes that will serve as their 15 requirement and/or cross-skill.

Believe it or not, Thief coming from Gladiator actually seems plausible in MANY ways.

First is that both Thancred and Raubahn wield Gladiator-based weapons (Dagger in the case of the former, Sword in the case of the latter).

Second is based off of the fact that Gladiator as a whole is a class notorious for hate gain. Yet most XI vets here seem to be overlooking (surprisingly enough) the one thing that Thieves in XI use quite regularly - Trick Attack! If Gladiators exist to generate hate, then Thief takes advantage of that, and with one of their job skills (most likely gained at 30, to supplement the Paladin's lack of Shield Oath at that time) re-directs said hate onto whatever class at present is tanking. SATA, the staple of any good Thief in XI, is something that naturally would be a no brainer transition from Vana'diel to Eorzea (and how the XI vets didn't think about this first is, quite frankly, beyond me).

Thirdly, remember that Yoshi-P said that he wanted to combine jobs to make a totally unique job. Well, as it turns out, Thief is capable of acting as the base in that calculation. Think - what's the one other class that's Far-Eastern, dual-wields, and has something Ninja-esque about them?

Monk.

The key point stated constantly in the Monk questlines is "Chakra", which really just a fancy name the Ala Mhigans gave to the seven vital points of the body (where aether would be the most concentrated). Ninja, whether fictional or otherwise, are masters of exploiting these seven points on the body (whether their own or someone else's). So Ninja could use these "Chakra" points to accelerate/decelerate the aetheric flow in their bodies to, say, predict an oncoming attack (Utsusemi) or make their steps lighter than a feather (Monomi). This is only a small example, but the concept still works in theory (and on paper).

From the above example, we can also add a couple of other compound jobs capable of being created from this equation: Red Mage (Black Mage + White Mage, Inquisitor-esque magic user smiting demons with holy power AND black magic), Dark Knight (Warrior + Dragoon, both struggle with an unruly power - the former being their own anger and rage, the latter being the anger and rage of an unholy fiend AKA dragon), Necromancer (Black Mage + Summoner, former dealing with abyssal powers and latter dealing with giving form to aetheric beings - both manipulating chaotic forms of aether).

P.S. This is the only post I am afforded today, so don't expect a reply very quickly.

[EdwinLi]

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I don't see GLA getting Thief considering that it is still possible to introduce a new class that use Dual Daggers that goes into Thief and/or Ninja which is what Scout class is mentioned to be.

NPCs are also adventurers themselves and can change their classes like our characters. Another thing this is that the Main NPCs in the Storyline are not Jobs but simple Classes so Thancred can easily have access to his own set of Cross-skills from Scout class when he switched to Gladiator. None of the Scions are Jobs but classes being that Thancred is a Gladiator (but can change to Scout class if he wants to like any adventurer with their class system), Yda is a Pugulist, Papalymo is a Theumaturge, Y'shtola is a Conjurer, and Urianger is a Arcanist.

Currently now we can't assume the introduction of the Scout class would mean much until farther details are provided. Yoshi-P has already stated many things that can change certain factors such as how Furture Jobs will have more serious effects on classes than current Jobs such as the example he mentioned that IF GLA obtains Dark knight as its 2nd Job, GLA skills will be adjusted to suit Dark Knights role as a DPS and Dark Knight theme such as the Tank combo being changed into a DPS combo and Flash (AoE Enmity skill) being replaced by Darkness (AoE Damage skill).

[XanderOlivieri]

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In an example that YoshiP stated, Thief would be a Class if implemented, so it wouldn't stem from Gladiator. Also the two would have completely different attack animations, so there wouldn't be any way for a Dual wielding dagger user such as Thief to spawn off of a Sword and Shield using Gladiator as the animations wouldn't match up for the base attacks.

Dark Knight was also brought up as an example as a DPS variation for Gladiator as a future job.

Jobs already are forced to stem off classes. Since Jobs can't exist in FFXIV without a proper class, basing a new job set off of existing Jobs is inaccurate. It would then be based off of four classes. If you had to have Black Mage and White Mage for Red Mage (i have never seen this said in any interview or Live letter so don't really know how credible the source was), then your requirements are Level 30 Thaumaturge, Level 30 Conjurer, Level 15 Pugilist, and Level 15 Archer. This is based off of current Job requirements. If its higher, then Lv xx Thaumaturge, Lv xx Conjurer, Lv xx Archer, Lv xx Pugilist.

[Renvalt]

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Right... note to self: remember that Yoshida's not as craven as to take the easy way out and re-use assests currently present for the mere sake of doing so (I mean, I am guilty of suspecting Yoshida would never get Soken to make an original piece for Leviathan and instead just steal one from 1.0, like he did with Diabolos and "Wrath of the Eikons").

tl;dr I need to stop underestimating Yoshida's creative ability (or just underestimating people in general). It's going to be the end of me one of these days.