lol? do u even know what ppl r whining about? i dont think so...they dont whine about all the grinding, they whine about fkin low atma droprates and (becoz of that) extreme boring fate farming. the real grind starts after the arma collecting. i dont see a problem in that 2nd step for relic update, but the first part is rly rly bad coz of RNG...but...there are enough of such threads here...so...just saying the first "relic grind", what u say wasnt even a grind, was totaly not the same we are seeing now.