Quick question for those who have been doing the fates:

Do you have to actually Win the fate in order to get the Atma that you've seen? Or you can you just participate without winning it? Say for example if you came upon a fate that had 2 minutes left, and you couldn't quite kill whatever it was fast enough, would you still be able to get the Atma?

Also this has to be done WITH your Relic+1 Weapon equipped correct?