If Liberator is for Dragoon, does that say something about the future of Dark Knight?

[Pandastirfry]

are you guys even serious? im not talking about your western standards of fantasy.. im talking about japanese eastern standards (animes etc.)... where scythes are used very often as a weapon of the undead... oh its a tool, for harvesting the souls originally.. fine for you.. but what is your point? have you even played FFXI?!


have you even watched this video?
FINAL FANTSY XI - Online Dark Knight Scythe weapon skills [YOUTUBE]

the skeleton seems to wield this scythe for harvesting purposes, eh? ;XD

or as we are talking about famous animes lol* as the warrior of death.. she is wielding that scythe also for harvesting purposes.
Scythe as a weapon

Umm... You are aware that most modern animes that use Death as a Black coweled skeleton wielding a scythe date back to only roughly 1946ish when the western idea of the personification of death became more popular. Prior to that death in Asian tradition is often depicted as a beraucrat or judge.

Long story short the scythe wielded by death is a farming tool and nothing more, meant to symbolize the harvesting of the soul and even the equality of that, "that all men are equal before death, it comes to rich man and poor, noble and common, good and evil. As the scythe makes no distinction between weed or wheat, so does death to the quality of men".

Death is also neither good nor evil, but merely the personification of an immutable law of all that lives. That eventually all things must die. Humans being a cowardly and superstitious lot, with the gift of reason and thought that allows us to ponder our mortality, conjured the "Specter of Death" to give a face to our most mortal and primal of fears. That one day death will come for us.

and even in your example of "Undead skeletons wielding scythes as weapons", this is more of a class thing than "the scythe is a symbol of evil". the undead in traditional culture are seen as mindless, base, and unthinking. They would wield the tools of the peasnetry as weapons, of which the nobles of the time thought they shared much in common (stupidity, thoughtlessness, being ruled by base animal desires....smell). to make it more succinct, Undead like your using as an example, are an allegory for civil unrest.

These days, it is as someone else said...sycthes are just a "Rule of Cool" weapon. they're actually wretched melee weapons, largely due to their weight and inward facing blade. It's sort of like Gears of War or Warhammer 40,000, while chainsaws as swords or attached to your gun as a bayonette look cool as hell, Chainsaws are actually terrible at cutting through soft tissue and become caught up and jammed fairly easily when doing that, and actually tend to throw the chain when the strike bone, they also tend to rip out of the users hand when going through soft tissue as the chain finds enough purchase to pull but not really to cut. this is of course ignoring, fuel source, fuel capacity, engine size, heat, and just general equal danger to the user as to the target. But damn if they ain't cool lookin'!

[Giantbane]

It was a scythe. Scythes are botanist tools in XIV, and there's very little will for reviving them as a weapon for Dark Knight. Being that scythes are polearms (insofar as weapon classifications go for improvised peasant weapons) where that subclass is used by Dragoon, it seems most appropriate to re-use that specific weapon as a Dragoon weapon.

I understand you hate the idea of DRK using scythe, but it was a 50/50 split in that long post about greatsword vs. scythe for DRK. The community seems to be split right down the middle on this one.

My personal preference is a new class that uses a greatsword and then splits between DRK (dps) and Soldier (tank).

However, DRK as a MRD dps class would also be cool. MRD already uses a class of axes called Bill (EDIT: not Bhuj). If you look at them (well, the models in this game, not the real life ones), they're very reminiscent of scythes. To this end, I think it would be appropriate for DRK to use axes like a MRD, however any job specific weapons (relic and what not) would all be scythes. Or they could just add scythe as a MRD weapon, either way.

As far as it being a botanist tool, this is really a very minor concern. The "Scythe" doesn't actually mean anything whatsoever. The only thing on that piece of gear that holds real meaning is "Botanist secondary tool". They could easily add another set of scythes that were "Two handed Marauder arm" (or whatever) and it all holds up just fine. But just for the sake of argument you could just as easily make the distinction that botanist scythes are 1handed, while DRK scythes are 2handed. Or you could call the DRK arm a "War Scythe" if you want to get picky.

[Stormblossom]

Actually when you actually harvest with it, the botanist scythe looks exactly like a proper scythe. You have to remember that a scythe being used as a weapon is not I AM THE ULTIMATE WEAPON MASTER stuff, it's I'M A FARMER WHO WAS FORCED TO FIGHT IN THE ARMY stuff.

[Pandastirfry]

Actually when you actually harvest with it, the botanist scythe looks exactly like a proper scythe. You have to remember that a scythe being used as a weapon is not I AM THE ULTIMATE WEAPON MASTER stuff, it's I'M A FARMER WHO WAS FORCED TO FIGHT IN THE ARMY stuff.

the only thing I would say to this is...it's less "FORCED TO FIGHT IN THE ARMY" and more... "I'M MAD AS HELL AND NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE" otherwise, the prefered weapon of Peasants "forced to fight in the army" were Pikes, Pitchforks, and Axes.

[SirDiscoFrog]

It might just mean that they could be doing away with scythes for them or making DRKs main tool be a different scythe they use for their ultimate weapon.

Personally I'd prefer the great sword version probably because my fav version of Dark Knight was in FFX-2. I could do without the over edgyness that their outfits had but I loved their abilities in the game. lol



Found this image. Kinda hoping they go around this route with DRKs in this game. Having them either be like WARs where they are hard hitting Tanks or even if they are a bulky DPS job. Really hoping they stem from MRD. It could be similar to SCHs with ACN. Scholars can hold arcanist books that summoners can hold but their late game specific gear is decked out just for them to use. DRK could be able to use axes but their primary weapon will be something special to them

[Gamemako]

Actually FF2's Leon was a "Mystic Knight"

Leon as a dark knight was a title as he was the right-hand man of the Emperor. As I undestand, it was ダークナイト in that game -- a transliteration of English "Dark Knight" rather than the job name 暗黒騎士 given to the Cecil brand. FF3's dark knight was the magic swordsman / demon swordsman you're thinking of. The DS remake actually made them explicitly dark knights, including Darkside, but the Japanese version kept the original name. The NES one wasn't really developed at all -- it had white magic, no sword spells, looked like a dark knight, and wielded dark swords that were katanas also wielded by ninjas. It was definitely more a dark knight than a mystic knight, but it wasn't really either as we know them now. The Dark Knight job archetype grew out of FF4's Cecil, while the Mystic Knight job archetype grew out of FF5's Mystic Knight. It's all a bit fuzzy, especially when you consider the names: 魔法剣士 (FF5 mystic knight) versus 魔剣士 (FF3 job) versus different 暗黒騎士 (FF4 Cecil) vs different-but-same ダークナイト (Leon, Gafgarion). Shit, I don't know enough Japanese to play these games.

Regardless, Leon is specifically a dark knight and the FF3 name wasn't translated until the job was modified into the FF4 archetype.

[Almalexia]

in FFXI

If Monk can perform a critical attack from the rear, does that say something about the future of Thief?

The answer may surprNo.