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    The only thing I dislike about Mnk and Drg (and Bard) loot not being shared is that they get a huge advantage with our current RNG system:

    Paladins lot against Warriors
    White Mages lot against Scholars.
    Black Mages lot against Summoners.

    However Bard, Dragoon, and Monk don't have to lot against anyone. Any loot that drops goes straight to them without contest.


    Therefore It'd make sense to DOUBLE the rate in which Tank, Healer, and Caster gear drops. Something like:

    For every 9 pieces of loot that drop:
    2/9 Tank gear
    2/9 Healer gear
    2/9 Caster gear
    1/9 Bard gear
    1/9 Dragoon gear
    1/9 Monk gear

    You have two tanks and two healers in every party (some have two casters.) It only makes sense that those specific sets should drop twice as often since they are shared sets.
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    I think it would be fine to make tank and healer stuff drop more often.

    I'm not sure about caster stuff. Many groups would benefit from it dropping more, true. However, not everyone has one of each caster in their raids.
    I think maybe a better choice would be to make physical dps share their armor among them. They could easily put dex on the monk/drg gear as well. Dex wouldn't benefit melee and str wouldn't help bard. So there is no harm in their gear having dex and str.
    I don't think it's the best option though, but by the numbers it might be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    The only thing I dislike about Mnk and Drg (and Bard) loot not being shared is that they get a huge advantage with our current RNG system:

    Paladins lot against Warriors
    White Mages lot against Scholars.
    Black Mages lot against Summoners.

    However Bard, Dragoon, and Monk don't have to lot against anyone...
    But it drops 1/2 as often as Tank, Healer, or Magic DD. You will see (over a great sample size) 2 Tank Chests for everyone 1 pair of MNK legs in T1. There is no real direct advantage in terms of frequency of winning loot based on statistics.
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    Nyne Helios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehayte View Post
    But it drops 1/2 as often as Tank, Healer, or Magic DD. You will see (over a great sample size) 2 Tank Chests for everyone 1 pair of MNK legs in T1. There is no real direct advantage in terms of frequency of winning loot based on statistics.
    this is 100% not true
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneAlexander View Post
    this is 100% not true
    A. Pics or didn't happen
    B. I know you could say the same thing to me, but at least what I had to say actually makes sense
    C. Don't cite examples form your personal experience, that is an extremely small sample size
    D. Cool name, I have a character named Nyne Feytes on Adamantoise!
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    Methos Ranperre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    You have two tanks and two healers in every party (some have two casters.) It only makes sense that those specific sets should drop twice as often since they are shared sets.
    I would agree with this however:

    My experience in 4 months using T4 as an example gets in the way.

    Myself and at least 3 other groups have never seen Allagan Sollerets Of Aiming drop once. Yet, every healer, tank, and other DPS got their drops. My group's completion order was literally: Tanks/Maiming, then Healer, then Striking.

    Now that 2.2 is here, the only reason I will grind T4 is for easy mode myth and helping others. Why bother getting the boots now with more options out there, unlike before.
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    I guess another factor to consider, that is often overlooked:

    Tanks and healers are more desirable to take to pugs. Dps are easy to replace/find so they probably would have a harder time to find a group. And any overflow of unneeded dps gear often goes to the tanks/healers.

    When talking about your static raids though, I agree it isn't fair to them to have doubled up class's gear drop less often.

    Speaking of which though. How do we even know that tank/healer drops are the same drop rate as dps drops? This issue might already have been addressed and we would have no way to know. It just "feels" like tank/healer stuff drops the same as dps items. Granted, it probably is the case that they do drop with the same frequency.
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    Last edited by Cherie; 03-27-2014 at 08:10 AM.