SE, if you're that desperate for money...

[Smashcore]

I never really understand arguments like this. If it isn't game breaking then what is the issue? If I was paying extra for something core related to the game such as story content or skills then I would see a problem. And even then it comes down to whether people are willing to pay for it or not. If SE wants to experiment with different business practices to make a profit that may, in turn, lead to a better game play experience, more power to them. Realize that SE is a business first and if there is something you don't like about it then voting with our money will be the most effective way to cause a change.

[LemmingKingXXX]

On topic, I blame the Industry as a whole setting the terrible precedent to begin with and the player demand purchasing it. SE seems to be just following what's past practiced via a different method.

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002, and I could do a ton more damage to the economy with them through gardening than what it appears Ventures will be capable of, and gardening was much more fire-and-forget gil generation requiring just the setup and regular maintenance without any experience grinding required and with the techniques I used it self-generated the seed materials required.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...rThanTheyThink

[Doo]

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002,

Except for this game doesn't copy from FFXI but from WoW .

[Naunet]

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002, and I could do a ton more damage to the economy with them through gardening than what it appears Ventures will be capable of, and gardening was much more fire-and-forget gil generation requiring just the setup and regular maintenance without any experience grinding required and with the techniques I used it self-generated the seed materials required.

SE wasn't selling mules in XI; they sold additional characters. Players just chose to use them as mules. And XI has/had a discount sub if you only have one character (just like XIV). That's a far cry from literally selling storage space and auction house slots, especially when a lot of us are already paying the full $15/month standard sub.

[Taruranto]

Why are you people so willing to give SE more money.

Companies are not your friends. You are already paying each month to play.

[LemmingKingXXX]

Except for this game doesn't copy from FFXI but from WoW .

Not the point, he mentioned putting the blame to the industry for creating this situation, I posited that this additional retainer purchase is in fact a more progressive form of a precedent SE set for themselves, and could very well be far less influential on the economy than the gardening mule of last decade.

[Djeserit]

That's a far cry from literally selling storage space and auction house slots, especially when a lot of us are already paying the full $15/month standard sub.

If you are paying full sub fee, you have 175*16 + 8*100 = 3600 (potential) inventory spaces and 20*16 = 320 auction slots. It's up to you to do the work(?) required to level 7 alts to 15 to unlock retainers, and get them in your FC so you can use FC bank to transfer between them. Alternatively have a reliable friend act as a trading point.

[Felis]

Pay per additional character was also the plan from the start.

Just because 'something was the plan for the start' doesn't mean it's a good idea. You should have learned that in spades from 1.0's cornucopia of failures

we have this still in some way.

Personally, as long as they don't stop letting us put Event Items in the Armoire as a sneaky attempt to make us buy more retainers, I'm fine with the 2$/extra retainer.

Fix is coming with 2.2.
With 2.2 you can now sell event items to make space and buy them back later with gil from the calamity npc if you want them again.

Aside from the terrible precedent it sets, it's the "per month" thing that's really troubling. People are really okay with spending what could eventually be hundreds of dollars on some additional storage space an auction house slots? It's absurd. If they're going to go down that route (and they really, really shouldn't have), they should at least do the sane thing and make it a one time fee. Even free-to-play MMOs get that part right.

During 1.0 a character slot had cost 3$/months extra. And there were no 10 threads complaining about it.
Some people also bought a second character slot for additional storage space. It was easy to sell in an empty market ward like in Gridania with a separated market system the stuff to a second character with a retainer for 1 gil the piece.

[KaedrianLiang]

Whining and complaining is nonsense. If giving me more opportunities to hand SE money arise, i will happily do so, especially when i know every dollar SE makes off this game extended the lifespan of FFXIV.

[Stanice]

From wikipedia:

"The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually. According to contemporary biologists the premise of the story is not literally true; a frog submerged and gradually heated will jump out. However, some 19th-century experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true, provided the heating is sufficiently gradual."

ITT: Lots of frogs.



When will you jump out?