If Liberator is for Dragoon, does that say something about the future of Dark Knight?

[Gamemako]

If Spears(Fisher) and Polearms(Dragoon) existed, why not Sickle(botanist) and Scythe(Dark knight)?

Botanists already have scythes, not sickles. The developers would have to completely scrap all current scythe models as well as completely redo the animations.

I would like to see a new weapon other than great sword on Dark knight and the normal scythe.

Would be really cool to use these and have a good animation for them.

Kusarigama was actually a weapon, however mildly ineffectual. There are a few issues using them. You would need an entirely new class, and the weapons is much more like a ninja weapon than a dark knight one. The animations would be very difficult to manage in general -- the character would have to move very quickly to avoid animation issues, further limiting the feasibility as a dark knight weapon.

That other dual scythe thing is absolutely preposterous and useless, and is not feasibly animated without horrifying clipping issues. Basically, in real life, it's useless because you can't maneuver it without hitting yourself; in a video game, it just constantly clips through your character's body. It would also be insanely unwieldy and slow. Prime example of the excesses of lazy fantasy rubbish: take an infeasible rule-of-cool tool, duct-tape two together, and pretend it's surely twice the awesome.

...it would make sense that if in the future Marauder got access to DPS (Dark Knight) and the alternative left with Warrior being the tank subset of the class.

MRD is definitely the superior mechanical choice for Dark Knight among current jobs. Certainly more precedent for Dark Knight using axes than scythes as well -- that FF11 thing came out of left field, and I really think it's time we throw it back.

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scythes are boring and greatswords are aussum? what the heck is wrong with you?! not every MMO has a class which uses scythes... but a great sword? nothing special if you ask me... -> boring

This is just so inane I don't know where to start. You're arguing that something is good because it's rare, so... let's have a job that fights with candy canes, which would be totally awesome because nobody does it!

[Tonkra]

This is just so inane I don't know where to start. You're arguing that something is good because it's rare, so... let's have a job that fights with candy canes, which would be totally awesome because nobody does it!

omg...
the reason is that scythes brings along the "darkness" touch to the class. The evil death is wearing a scythe as his weapon...

and this weapon just fits to the DARK Knight. A Dark Knight with a great sword would make it just less interesting for me personally (a matter of taste). Great Swords are for boring sword masters (point)


the reason why a DRK should use a scythe:

FINAL FANTSY XI - Online Dark Knight Scythe weapon skills [YOUTUBE]

"Dark Harvest" , "Shadow of Death", "Nightmare Scythe" .... anything said more? ;P



a scythe is the personification of death and darkness. and a dark knight is using dark magic like lifedrain and so on.
so its the same reason why you would say "paladin needs a sword and shield" and a monk wielding hand to hand weapons... as you would say for the DRK in Final Fantasy having scythes.

Have you played even Final Fantasy XI? seems not..

[Gamemako]

They already said that "if" they do Dark Knight, it would be based off of Gladiator.

You'll have to post a quote there. As I recall, Yoshi-P has repeatedly used Dark Knight as an example from gladiator with the disclaimer that it might not be done that way and that we might not even get Dark Knight at all (but with as many threads as we get about Dark Knight, it seems very likely that we will see one).

the reason is that scythes brings along the "darkness" touch to the class. The evil death is wearing a scythe as his weapon...

a scythe is the personification of death and darkness. and a dark knight is using dark magic like lifedrain and so on.
there are enough swords in any game. and they could leave greatswords for a soldier job or whatever..

This is just totally wrong. The Grim Reaper wields a scythe not as a weapon but as a farming tool. He is death. He cannot lose, so why the hell would he fight at all? No, the Grim Reaper is what we call a psychopomp -- an entity whose charge is to guide the souls of the departed into the afterlife. The Reaper wields a scythe where he harvests (reads: reaps) the souls of the departed, severing the ties that bind them to this world that they may be free to move on. The scythe is for reaping, harvesting, farming -- not fighting.

And above all else,

THE GRIM REAPER IS NOT EVIL.

[Tonkra]

This is just totally wrong. The Grim Reaper wields a scythe not as a weapon but as a farming tool. He is death. He cannot lose, so why the hell would he fight at all? No, the Grim Reaper is what we call a psychopomp -- an entity whose charge is to guide the souls of the departed into the afterlife. The Reaper wields a scythe where he harvests (reads: reaps) the souls of the departed, severing the ties that bind them to this world that they may be free to move on. The scythe is for reaping, harvesting, farming -- not fighting.

And above all else,

THE GRIM REAPER IS NOT EVIL.

omg you like to talk at cross purposes arent you?

it makes no difference, that this is a symbol of evilness and darkness... besides in anime... where Final Fantasy has its roots from a culture perspective. scythes are used as weapons from the death itself in many animes..

and also in FFXI where skeletons wielding big scythes as a weapon. (i posted a picture above)


it is like saying pld should wield a shield and sword (because its the most often implied weapon for a paladin) as for monk wearing hand to hand weapons and as for a Final Fantasy DRK it is a scythe... where is the point of your offtopic text.. trolling around?

Scythes are harvesting tools.

The reason the Grim Reaper (a personification of death) traditionally uses one is because he "harvests" the dead, not because its evil.

are you guys even serious? im not talking about your western standards of fantasy.. im talking about japanese eastern standards (animes etc.)... where scythes are used very often as a weapon of the undead... oh its a tool, for harvesting the souls originally.. fine for you.. but what is your point? have you even played FFXI?!


have you even watched this video?
FINAL FANTSY XI - Online Dark Knight Scythe weapon skills [YOUTUBE]

the skeleton seems to wield this scythe for harvesting purposes, eh? ;XD

or as we are talking about famous animes lol* as the warrior of death.. she is wielding that scythe also for harvesting purposes.
Scythe as a weapon

[Mazi]

Snip

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Knight

XI is the only game where they use a Scythe, almost every other one is a sword.

And random but somewhat accurate comparison: Jedi uses a Lightsaber (Paladin uses a sword) Sith/Dark Side Jedi uses a red Lightsaber (Dark Knight uses Dark/Evil Sword)

[Tonkra]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Knight

XI is the only game where they use a Scythe, almost every other one is a sword.

wow, thats new to me... *rolleyes*

[Pandastirfry]

are you guys even serious? im not talking about your western standards of fantasy.. im talking about japanese eastern standards (animes etc.)... where scythes are used very often as a weapon of the undead... oh its a tool, for harvesting the souls originally.. fine for you.. but what is your point? have you even played FFXI?!


have you even watched this video?
FINAL FANTSY XI - Online Dark Knight Scythe weapon skills [YOUTUBE]

the skeleton seems to wield this scythe for harvesting purposes, eh? ;XD

or as we are talking about famous animes lol* as the warrior of death.. she is wielding that scythe also for harvesting purposes.
Scythe as a weapon

Umm... You are aware that most modern animes that use Death as a Black coweled skeleton wielding a scythe date back to only roughly 1946ish when the western idea of the personification of death became more popular. Prior to that death in Asian tradition is often depicted as a beraucrat or judge.

Long story short the scythe wielded by death is a farming tool and nothing more, meant to symbolize the harvesting of the soul and even the equality of that, "that all men are equal before death, it comes to rich man and poor, noble and common, good and evil. As the scythe makes no distinction between weed or wheat, so does death to the quality of men".

Death is also neither good nor evil, but merely the personification of an immutable law of all that lives. That eventually all things must die. Humans being a cowardly and superstitious lot, with the gift of reason and thought that allows us to ponder our mortality, conjured the "Specter of Death" to give a face to our most mortal and primal of fears. That one day death will come for us.

and even in your example of "Undead skeletons wielding scythes as weapons", this is more of a class thing than "the scythe is a symbol of evil". the undead in traditional culture are seen as mindless, base, and unthinking. They would wield the tools of the peasnetry as weapons, of which the nobles of the time thought they shared much in common (stupidity, thoughtlessness, being ruled by base animal desires....smell). to make it more succinct, Undead like your using as an example, are an allegory for civil unrest.

These days, it is as someone else said...sycthes are just a "Rule of Cool" weapon. they're actually wretched melee weapons, largely due to their weight and inward facing blade. It's sort of like Gears of War or Warhammer 40,000, while chainsaws as swords or attached to your gun as a bayonette look cool as hell, Chainsaws are actually terrible at cutting through soft tissue and become caught up and jammed fairly easily when doing that, and actually tend to throw the chain when the strike bone, they also tend to rip out of the users hand when going through soft tissue as the chain finds enough purchase to pull but not really to cut. this is of course ignoring, fuel source, fuel capacity, engine size, heat, and just general equal danger to the user as to the target. But damn if they ain't cool lookin'!

[PArcher]

a scythe is the personification of death and darkness. and a dark knight is using dark magic like lifedrain and so on.

Scythes are harvesting tools.

The reason the Grim Reaper (a personification of death) traditionally uses one is because he "harvests" the dead, not because its evil.

People who view death (and the Reaper) as evil may associate scythes with evil, but at the same time...that "logic" would (should) apply to all instruments of murder/death.


There is no inherent evil in Death, or in Scythes (or any other physical object). Their use may be evil, and even a Paladin can be evil ("but they aren't a PLD if they're evil!" they still used their "good" tools/abilities before they "fell", and so even the greatest good can be used for evil.)

[Pooky_Pasha]

so its the same reason why you would say "paladin needs a sword and shield" and a monk wielding hand to hand weapons... as you would say for the DRK in Final Fantasy having scythes.

Have you played even Final Fantasy XI? seems not..

Have you ever played any other Final Fantasy game but FFXI? Dark Knight in FFXI is the exception, not the rule. In every other game, they use Great Swords. Let's not forget the DKs in XI could also use Great Swords, and many did and still do. Leon in FF2 could use Longinus, so they have even had spears. But never scythes until XI.

And I'm pretty sure most of the people on this forum have in fact played XI and other FF titles.

[Royze]

The FFXI Dark Knight is not the exception. All other appearances of Dark Knight in FF games are.
- More content has been developed for Dark Knight in XI, than all other FF titles combined
- FFXI Dark Knight has been played by more people, than all other FF titles combined
- FFXI Dark Knight has existed actively, more than all other forms of FF Dark Knights combined.

FFXI is almost 13 years old, and still going. There are people who started playing Dark Knight at the ages of 10 who are now college graduates and employed with kids of their own.

Like it or not, FFXI is the pretty much the go-to for FF Jobs benchmarking.