SE, if you're that desperate for money...

[Kluya15]

This just in, businesses want to make money.

[CrAZYVIC]

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If im not wrong. The only thing square enix will sell in the future, is "Fantasia".

This game is surpassing square enix expectations. It is not necessary a "Game Shop" for now. ARR have over 1.8 milllions of users, without ps4.... When ARR down until less of 200k we can have this talk again.

Lets talk about the retainers more in deep. The next "Pay to win".

Im 99% sure the retainer ventures will be useless and a waste of time... Why?

Example.

if you send your NPC, To farm "Boar hides" and he get you 99 boar hides in 1 session, the game economy will be greatly affected. He will get you mats while you sleep, if you get 5 retainers you can get materials for 1 entire week of craft/Farm....

But if your Retainer only prodive you 3 - 5 boar hides per session, will be a waste of time, not even worth bother with this system.

Personally i wish the retainer system be a "Waste of time" because we have people who will pay 15 - 20 retainers for "Pay to win".

[Khronikos]

I think everyone can trust me when I say that people should NOT feel useless in this. DO NOT BUY FROM THEM if you do not want to support them.

Now if you just one of these whining tweens that gonna buy everything no matter what you have answered your own questions.... no hope for you.

Me on the other hand I may buy one retainer but the moment my sub passes 15 a month is the moment I no longer play this game.

[KhalidTheGreat]

They pay per extra retainers thing isn't a big deal on it's own.

The precedent it sets is a very big deal.


What's next? SE is going to charge another $1-2 per month every month for FC's to purchase additional housing/gardens?

exactly.
It's unfortunate that lots of people don't see it that way.

[Khronikos]

If im not wrong. The only thing square enix will sell in the future, is "Fantasia".

Lets talk about the retainers more in deep. The next "Pay to win".

Im 99% sure the retainer ventures will be useless and a waste of time... Why?

Example.

if you send your NPC, To farm "Boar hides" and he get you 99 boar hides in 1 session, the game economy will be greatly affected. He will get you mats while you sleep, if you get 5 retainers you can get materials for 1 entire week of craft/Farm....

But if your Retainer only prodive you 3 - 5 boar hides per session, will be a waste of time, not even worth bother with this system.

Personally i wish the retainer system be a "Waste of time" because we have people who will pay 15 - 20 retainers for "Pay to win".

Guarantee your retainers don't come back with full stacks unless square is downright insane.

[Khronikos]

exactly.
It's unfortunate that lots of people don't see it that way.

As I said again if you are the one purchasing these things and going along with it you have nothing and no one to blame but yourself. Bad precedent does not mean slave/idiot player fanbase. Or does it?

[OSUBuckeye4]

Every other MMO does this... *Cough*Expansion packs*Cough*. You don't need to buy them, but if you want to play all the content and get all the top gear, you need to buy them. SE even did this with XI, remember Chains of Promathia? This is widely practiced, accepted and successful. Feel lucky that up until now all of the content updates and expansions we've already gotten have been free.

I don't remember Chains of Promathia because I never played XI.

I do hear your point about expansion packs and it's a valid point.


Look, I made my point and probably repeated it a few times by now. I'm not ready to plant my flag and unsubscribe, so unless someone directly asks me a question (unlikely), I'll stop posting in this thread (after my closing remarks below) because I've said all I can say about this without repeating myself over and over.

I'm not spouting doom and gloom. I'm just concerned by this and I figured I'd voice my concern. It's not the $2 or the additional retainer that worry me, it's the fact that SE has decided to go down this path in the first place.

All these "it requires extra server space, so it makes sense" posts are comincal. If this was really about server space, than charge people a one time fee to build the additional space it takes to house the additional retainer. Charging people $2 a month forever for this service doesn't seem like it's in the interest of the player. The game houses millions of lines of data and 2 retainers for every player in the game who unlocks them through simple story progression... adding a single extra retainer shouldn't cost $2 per month forever.

This is a cash grab for SE... and if they are willing to do this, what is the next step if this is successful and they realize they can make money off of charging people for additional services in perpetuity? More FC housing for people who pay more money? Access to different classes/jobs? Access to personal housing? Access to special areas that are pay only?

How much are you willing to pay a month for something you signed on board to pay $12.99 for? Is that SE's ultimate goal/what they are trying to find out? Maybe you have some people who are paying $12.99 and others who are paying $19.99 but who have a 4th retainer, personal house and additional FC house/garden. Maybe if you pay $22.99 per month you can also visit the Golden Saucer casino and get a VIP room there.

Slippery slope. But, maybe I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about something) and this is their one and only dip of their toes into this pool. Only time will tell.

[snakey77]

Did you know that pay-per-additional-retainer was a plan from the start? The very start, from the release of 1.0 we've all been waiting for it.

did you know you can have 320 slots with 8 characters on one server all you have to do is lvl them to 18 which takes a day or two … so everyones been waiting to pay $2 for 1 extra retainer.. unlike ppl who have been waiting for personal housing and fantasia which will rake in more overall profit than an extra 20 slots to sell stuff from

[Doo]

This is a cash grab for SE... and if they are willing to do this, what is the next step if this is successful and they realize they can make money off of charging people for additional services in perpetuity? More FC housing for people who pay more money? Access to different classes/jobs? Access to personal housing? Access to special areas that are pay only?

There's a high demand for cash shops/pay for advantages (even though it's artificially created by taking out stuff they would normally put in the game) hence why RMT is out of control. Sad, but the truth. Like when I played Diablo 3 items being sold on rmt ah was going for 250 dollars a piece real money and players were buying it up. When I was playing DCUO and they came out of replay badges to unlock lockout raids for the best gear players were spending over a years worth of sub price for the advantage of being geared.

[Amberion]

ARR have over 1.8 milllions of users

No, just no. Reread it again, they said 1.8 million created accounts. As in service accounts. I actually have 2 on my main account and 1 beta still around on my healer account, none active. So just from me you can remove 3 accounts from those numbers.