The Market needs a listing fee or it'll never be a balanced and fair economy

[Rein-Yagami]

I'm sorry, but if "Item X" isn't selling, then move on to "Item Y"~ followed by "Item Z"

over the course of the previous week, HQ vintage Kite Shields have gone from 10-12k to....3.9k~ Why?

Because people have realised that the dungeon that drops the scarred kite shield also drops salable dungeon gear which the chest pieces are selling for between 27k-59k depending on which you get~

I'm not bitter about it~ I still farm the dungeon because it's a somewhat enjoyable dungeon (properly allows healers to dps without paying much attention to hp until after the first boss). I however have moved on to spiritbonding gathering accessories. Raptorskin Choker, Electrum earrings, Militia Braclets and 2 Aetheryte rings(for spiritbond gain) cost less than 15k in total. the materia you gain from the 5 items can easily sell for over 100k

No listing fee please~

[therpgfanatic]

I'm sorry, but if "Item X" isn't selling, then move on to "Item Y"~ followed by "Item Z"

Each server has about 18,000 to 23,000 players. And we all have 2 Retainers who can sell multiple items.

The idea that if one item isn't selling you can simply go sell a different item just doesn't work. Other than extremely rare drops like treasure map minions and high-level crafting gear / materia, most items I've seen are sold for less than 100 gil. A lot of stuff is actually being listed for 1-10 gil.

And it isn't that there isn't demand. You can list items that are needed for leve-quest turn ins, and people will still list the items for barely nothing. It's because a select few players camp the boards all day relisting their wares to undercut other people to purposely crash the markets. They drive the prices down to as low as possible, then try to buy up each other's items and relist them at a march higher rate. It can work but when a bunch of people are doing it, it really just means the prices constantly crash.

it would make the issue of artificial price ceilings more difficult to cope with. Those people that dump multiple stacks of items at 'discount' prices, which results in a major downshift in pricing until demand eventually chews through it all.

Normally, if you were sure that it would be a long while before the market self-corrected, the only thing you could do was remark and 1gil him or repost in smaller quantities than he's offering.

Not true.

In a market board with a listing fee, if someone lists their wares at a huge markdown from the normal cost of the item, someone who plays the market is going to buy the items up and then relist them at the true average market price to turn a profit.

That's how auction houses in other MMOs correct themselves. But it doesn't happen here because there's no penalty to just keep changing your prices.

[Rein-Yagami]

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I'm sorry but No~

You clearly aren't paying any attention to the rest of my post. Vintage HQ kite shields were selling for 10-12k~ now they aren't~ Gathering materia is selling for (dependent on materia type/level) anywhere from 3.5k to 50k a piece. You don't just grab any old item and expect it to make money~ you play the boards and work out the items that are really selling fast~

you're just bitter than others can play more than you and actually understand market economics~

If your server's market is really as bad as you say, then me thinks you should move server or shut up complaining. your choice to stay where you are~ Don't punish others because you want to make money without understanding a damn thing.

[Pooky_Pasha]

Good Stuff

@OP, I still think Rein-Yagami's posts are going over your head. Not surprising. Here's what I do. I stockpile hi-volume stuff on my retainers to sell. Everyday for about 30 minutes, I go through and check the current market values and what they have been going for. For the most part, I know the maximum and minimum values each item will sell for. If they are going on the high side at the moment I check, I will put up a maximum of 3 for sale. Any more and I feel like I have diluted my chance to sell. Plus there are other items I sell. Variety is key. This can be done on ANY server and not just Balmung lol. Doing this, I can make anywhere for 50k-200k from stuff I did last month. And it's just a continuous cycle.

@Listing Fees-If people are going to bottom out a market to control it, listing fees will do nothing to stop them. It will only make them bottom it out quicker to avoid less listing fees. And since they are actively trying to control a market, they will gladly pay the listing fees, because they have the gil to pay it and they want to keep their market. Other people who may not have the gil will be less likely inclined to try selling in that market when it recovers from getting bottomed out. I also think listing fees will inflate prices, which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it. If you are a seller, you want to recover your money. If you are a buyer, you have to pay more.

[Moriix]

. I however have moved on to spiritbonding gathering accessories. Raptorskin Choker, Electrum earrings, Militia Braclets and 2 Aetheryte rings(for spiritbond gain) cost less than 15k in total. the materia you gain from the 5 items can easily sell for over 100k

No listing fee please~

100k ?? Whay server are you ?
On all the servers I played in it I was so surprised that even materia prices are droping , I used to sell save aim materia with 20k+ but because of ppl keep undercuting it now its worth 3k- , since I spent alot of time SBing that price kinda worthless .

I saw items worth 5+ gil if ypu sold them to NPC but players sell it for 1gill LOL .

[Rein-Yagami]

100k ?? Whay server are you ?
On all the servers I played in it I was so surprised that even materia prices are droping , I used to sell save aim materia with 20k+ but because of ppl keep undercuting it now its worth 3k- , since I spent alot of time SBing that price kinda worthless .

I saw items worth 5+ gil if ypu sold them to NPC but players sell it for 1gill LOL .

I play on balmung, and I feel that you might have been slightly mistaken ^^;

when I say 100k, I mean collectively (5 gained materia from gathering can equate to anywhere from 15k if you're unlucky to over 100k if you get a few lvl4s or the really popular lvl3s)

Really looking forward to after 2.2's patch goes in~ high level gear (guessing Ilvl50+ is going to spiritbond faster~ so adding a lvl1 materia+it being a HQ item will drastically speed up SB time = more profit<3)

[therpgfanatic]

I play on balmung, and I feel that you might have been slightly mistaken ^^;

He's not mistaken. You only play on a Legacy server.

Try playing on a server where everyone doesn't have a bunch of gil from 1.0.

You clearly aren't paying any attention to the rest of my post. Vintage HQ kite shields were selling for 10-12k~ now they aren't~

On your server.

They weren't selling like that on every server.

Gathering materia is selling for (dependent on materia type/level) anywhere from 3.5k to 50k a piece. You don't just grab any old item and expect it to make money~ you play the boards and work out the items that are really selling fast~

Again. Those values aren't the same on every server. And your solution to just play the game more often (or rather, camp the market boards for hours and not do anything else) isn't something people with jobs and lives can do, so it's no solution at all. You shouldn't have to camp the market boards for hours to make money.

If your server's market is really as bad as you say, then me thinks you should move server or shut up complaining. your choice to stay where you are~ Don't punish others because you want to make money without understanding a damn thing.

1. Nobody is being punished. You already pay a fee when items sell, but the fee should be for listing the item. The fee structure is designed wrong.

2. Not everyone can move to the same servers, as they have population caps.

3. The problem is with the game not having listing fees.

And before you insult people, you might want to not indicate you have no life outside of playing FF XIV. These games are meant to be a hobby, not the purpose of your existence.

[Rein-Yagami]

He's not mistaken. You only play on a Legacy server.

Try playing on a server where everyone doesn't have a bunch of gil from 1.0.



On your server.

They weren't selling like that on every server.



Again. Those values aren't the same on every server. And your solution to just play the game more often (or rather, camp the market boards for hours and not do anything else) isn't something people with jobs and lives can do, so it's no solution at all. You shouldn't have to camp the market boards for hours to make money.

You may wish to check a few things.
Firstly: The forum states WHICH server you are on~
Secondly: The values I said were specific to my server~ You need to check your own damn server~
Thirdly: Insulting people by claiming we have no life/camp the boards is going to backfire spectacularly~
Fourthly: As I said in yet another thread, I play for 2-4hours a day~ Not 20+ hours~

[therpgfanatic]

Fourthly: As I said in yet another thread, I play for 2-4hours a day~ Not 20+ hours~

See, here's the inconsistency that implies you either play more than you claim to, or you don't do as well as you claim to.

You can't watch the market prices unless you play alot. This is because the history page only shows the most recent transactions; for items that sell constantly, it'll only be the last few hours of that day.

[Rein-Yagami]

See, here's the inconsistency that implies you either play more than you claim to, or you don't do as well as you claim to.

You can't watch the market prices unless you play alot. This is because the history page only shows the most recent transactions; for items that sell constantly, it'll only be the last few hours of that day.

Or there are players such as myself that are better than you and actually don't need to take an hour for...1 item~